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Fleet #...Reg #...Entry date...Completion date...21/21 finished. Mods done at CAN. All entry and completion dates are based on CAN time (GMT + 8 hours).
ViaSat IFC mods in progress: 17/21 completed.
1801 N825MH - Entered Feb 18 2020...exited Sept 10 2020. (Delay due to COVID-19). ViaSat IFC.
1802 N826MH - Entered Nov 18 2019...exited Jan 19 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1803 N827MH - Entered Feb 26 2020...exited Oct 23 2020. (Delay due to COVID-19). Arrived @ CAN Apr 15 2024 for ViaSat IFC.
1804 N828MH - Entered Jan 4 2019...exited June 24 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1805 N829MH - Entered Sept 11 2020...exited Oct 22 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1806 N830MH - Entered Oct 22 2020...exited Dec 13 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1807 N831MH - Entered Sept 4 2019...exited Nov 13 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1808 N832MH - Entered March 30 2021...exited May 4 2021. ViaSat IFC.
1809 N833MH - Entered Sept 15 2019...exited Nov 24 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1810 N834MH - Entered Sept 11 2019...exited Nov 17 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1811 N835MH - Entered Oct 2 2019...exited Dec 6 2019. ViaSat IFC.
1812 N836MH - Entered Nov 20 2019...exited Jan 29 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1813 N837MH - Entered Nov 29 2019...exited Feb 19 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1814 N838MH - Entered Dec 11 2019...exited Feb 26 2020. ViaSat IFC.
1815 N839MH - Entered Jan 23 2020...exited Oct 21 2020. (Delay due to COVID-19). Arrived @ CAN Apr 12 2024 for ViaSat IFC.
1816 N840MH - Entered Jan 24 2020...exited Sept 11 2020. (Delay due to COVID-19). ViaSat IFC.
1817 N841MH - Entered July 10 2022…exited Sept 2 2022.
1818 N842MH - Entered Feb 23 2022...exited May 21 2022.
1819 N843MH - Entered Dec 13 2020...exited Feb 4 2021. ViaSat IFC.
1820 N844MH - Entered Feb 4 2021...exited March 30 2021. ViaSat IFC.
1821 N845MH - Entered Feb 4 2021...exited March 29 2021. ViaSat IFC.

All 21 frames were factory-fresh from Boeing and delivered 8/2000 to 4/2002.

No doors on D1 Suites and new seat count noted in jrkmsp's thread from 4/4/19: old config was C40/W28/Y178 = 246 seats...new config is C34/W20/Y+28/Y156 = 238 seats. https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ave-doors.html
767-400 cabin tour: https://youtu.be/Sy73VB3V1kY
Delta announced that 764s will get the new wireless IFE system developed by Delta Flight Products.
Seat 4D is configured as a Crew Rest Seat and will be X'd out on seat maps for flights where it's use is required.
The footwells in Row 1 are larger. 1A and 1D are larger than 1B and 1C.
Existing Wi-Fi is GoGo 2Ku, and there is no Live TV.

767-400 764 Delta One Suites & Premium Select Refurb Status and Trip Reports

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Feb 21, 2019, 12:20 pm

#31

Mountain Explorer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 3Cforme

Delta execs have been quoted as saying that all widebodies will have Delta One suites in 2021. I don't know if the plan to have both Premium Select and Comfort+ (re-refitting) changes that timing. If that's true there will be no old-school 767s, as AA had for a while. They'll need to be reconfigured or retired.

I think they actually said international widebodies. I could see a small fleet unmodified 767s operating premium transcon routes. The existing 1-2-1 J product is dated, but reasonable for a transcon.

Feb 21, 2019, 12:25 pm

#32

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Originally Posted by lonelygod

hopefully they can replace SEA-PEK/PVG...

Ya or even A330s. The existing 767 J product is pretty bad for TPAC

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Feb 21, 2019, 1:20 pm

#33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MCO Flyer

I’d guess JFK/ATL-LHR. Back in ~2008/2009 when the 764s first got lie-flats, the LHR routes where the first to get the new moded planes.

I am doing STR in June but likely will do go back to LHR until next year.

Up until the STR ticket, I have been avoiding the 764s like the plague.

Feb 21, 2019, 4:20 pm

#34

ljreinholt

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From Delta News Hub today

HNL-HND would be operated twice daily using Delta’s Boeing 767-300ER. This fleet type is currently being retrofitted with a new cabin interior and inflight entertainment system.

Feb 21, 2019, 9:26 pm

#35

M2578Z

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Quote:

Originally Posted by meh130

With 34 seats replacing 40 seats in a 1-2-1, an alternating 1-1-1/1-2-1 seems very likely. That would work out to 35 seats, which is just one off from 34.
Also, the 20 W seats would be three rows of 2-2-2, plus one stand-alone pair of seats, which would fit in the current Y+ area of the 764 if you took out the closet. Finally, the 21 Y+ seats ad 163 Y seats should fit where the current 178 Y seats are, losing one row to allow for increased Y+ pitch and additional space for the W cabin.

I understand the math, but I can't imagine it being anything other than 1-1-1, a 1-1-1/1-2-1 will end up with the same seat width we have today in the 1-2-1 configuration. There would be no benefit to the refit. The biggest complaint about the 767 D1 is lack of privacy and the footwell, the only way to fix these issues is for the seat to take up more real estate.

A 1-1-1/1-2-1 would also create inconsistency in product (having throne seats and normal seats) depending on which seat you select (or reassigned in the event of a sub), this works fine for JetBlue with one fleet type, but for customers like myself consistency is a key and being reassigned from a throne to a normal seat would be very irritating.

Mar 10, 2019, 4:52 pm

#36

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767-400 D1 1A seat

I'll be on DL 101 ATL-EZE in a few days, and 1A is available. Is there anything undesirable about this seat, other than perhaps being close to the galley? Does it have a window by it?

Mar 10, 2019, 5:01 pm

#37

ULDB65

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It's a fine seat, and with a little extra foot space. If you enjoy the service (as opposed to sleeping), its easy to get the FA's attention when you want a refill or anything else.

Mar 12, 2019, 5:07 pm

#38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ULDB65

It's a fine seat, and with a little extra foot space. If you enjoy the service (as opposed to sleeping), its easy to get the FA's attention when you want a refill or anything else.

I ended up taking 4A, thinking that 1A was gonna be too close to the galley, and I wanted to sleep. It worked out great.

Mar 12, 2019, 7:36 pm

#39

lucycan

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Pardon my ignorance but how would I find out if any of these are the birds I'll be flying this summer?

ATL -> DUB on 8/4/19
LHR -> MSP on 8/12/19
SEA -> PEK on 9/20/19

I think these are 767-400s

I'm already in D1 on the SEA -> PEK flight via a GUC but was looking to switch to the DTW - > PEK for the much better seat. I dread the coffins!

Mar 12, 2019, 7:49 pm

#40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lucycan

Pardon my ignorance but how would I find out if any of these are the birds I'll be flying this summer?

ATL -> DUB on 8/4/19
LHR -> MSP on 8/12/19
SEA -> PEK on 9/20/19

I think these are 767-400s

At this point you can't find out. Keep an eye on this thread and keep an eye on your seatmaps. If something gets announced, it will be posted here. If your seat map suddenly changes, but still says 767-400, then you might get a modded plane

Mar 12, 2019, 9:24 pm

#41

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From what I've read elsewhere, there will only be the one frame modded by next month, and which is currently at CAN, and the rest will start to be done after the summer schedule ends in the fall, through the end of 2020.

Mar 12, 2019, 10:16 pm

#42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lucycan

I thought SEA/PEK was being switched to A330 from 767. Forget the post to look it up.

ETA - Nope, it's PVG that gets A330

Mar 13, 2019, 1:09 am

#43

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These re-furbs can't come fast enough. The 764 I flew yesterday between FCO-JFK was pathetic. IFE limited, and even in 1A, the space was limited. And NO storage space. This was an embarrassing hard product, that made me appreciate the AA hard product and never take it for granted (long-haul).

Mar 13, 2019, 3:27 am

#44

Dawgfan6291

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flyerCO

I thought SEA/PEK was being switched to A330 from 767. Forget the post to look it up.

ETA - Nope, it's PVG that gets A330

Wait for the next batch of 339s, SEA will end up all 330 and the 76T fleet will likely be converted to 76Zs (and a MTOW and engine thrust drop with that)

Quote:

Originally Posted by audidudi

There will be at least four B763ERs that will be retired sometime next winter, frames N171DN, N172DN, N174DN and N175DN, as all are due for mx checks around that time. The delivery schedule for the A339s shows four are due this year, four are due next year, and nine are due in 2021, thus it's likely that as each A339 gets delivered that a B763ER will be retired eventually.

slightly. When we get into 2020-2012 id bank on some slight (and i mean very slight) growth.

The long term goal is to get closer to 50/50 domestic to international ASM split. While a big part of that will come from upgrading like we have seen domestically, their will also be some limited growth. Watch for more AMS/CDG-spoke flying as well as some 339 and the 242 333s stretching their legs allowing from some longer range 350/777 flying.
as well as some 330 capacity from the west coast to Soul like we have seen with AMS/CDG.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeno

Any speculation on early routes?

the single converted 764 will basically play spare this summer. Once more are converted, Id bet money LHR goes (back) to mostly 764 flights. (with some 330 flying from ATL/JFK)

Other than LHR, places like FRA, MUC and South America are likely to go 764.

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Mar 13, 2019, 7:59 am

#45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dawgfan6291

the single converted 764 will basically play spare this summer.

Opinion or fact? Source?