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Just to pile on the comfort issue, it should be obvious that an airplane cabin might be reasonably "comfortable" at one moment, but with a less-than-ideal air conditioning system, that comfort level will change rapidly once you stuff 150+ human beings inside the insulated metal tube.
Perhaps the only reason OP stayed comfortable at all is precisely because the captain stopped boarding. And again, no excuse for the FA's actions and certainly not a "job well done" IMO. |
Originally Posted by gooselee
(Post 30022300)
And again, no excuse for the FA's actions and certainly not a "job well done" IMO.
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Originally Posted by gooselee
(Post 30022300)
Just to pile on the comfort issue, it should be obvious that an airplane cabin might be reasonably "comfortable" at one moment, but with a less-than-ideal air conditioning system, that comfort level will change rapidly once you stuff 150+ human beings inside the insulated metal tube.
Perhaps the only reason OP stayed comfortable at all is precisely because the captain stopped boarding. And again, no excuse for the FA's actions and certainly not a "job well done" IMO. So very possible there was another delay issue in play that was never mentioned. So now the question is do the pax board and sit onboard for that delay in possibly bad air. I guarantee you if the captain decided to knowingly board pax onto a non-AC flight in the ATL summer with a known 1+ hour delay at the gate he would be have plenty of upset pax. |
Originally Posted by Toshbaf
(Post 30020917)
Whoa, ramp agent punishing the passengers to punish the captain. That is like Egyptair 990, where a crew member in 1999 was probably mad and crashed the JFK-CAI bound plane in to the Atlantic, killing everyone.
Apparently you didn't bother to read my explanation of hub pax operations above. So I'll quote myself: I hate to state the obvious, but I suppose many aren't familiar with hub ops. The vast majority of pax at a hub are making connections, so arrival gate is pretty much irrelevant...especially since almost every gate is used in a bank, and many are used overnight. It's a zero sum game for pax. I can give them a close gate (to the terminal/employee shuttle), or I can give them a far away gate and give another plane the close gate. |
Originally Posted by readywhenyouare
(Post 30016691)
A flight attendant can most certainly overrule a captain. If the flight attendant smells alcohol on the Captain's breath should he/she just get out of the way and let them into the flight deck?
And then report it to the GA. |
Originally Posted by sethb
(Post 30030322)
Yes.
And then report it to the GA. In the original scenario (deplaning) I don't think the FA should have confronted the captain. First, the FA has less information than the cockpit crew and, second, the captain is ultimately responsible for the safety of the passengers. |
Originally Posted by No_Name
(Post 30031297)
I would argue that the flight attendant should intervene in a potentially intoxicated pilot scenario. Flight attendants are part of the crew resource management paradigm (per the FAR) and have a role in the safe operation of a flight. In the original scenario (deplaning) I don't think the FA should have confronted the captain. First, the FA has less information than the cockpit crew and, second, the captain is ultimately responsible for the safety of the passengers. What else can the FA do? Physically stand at the door and not let the captain in? The GA can pull people off the plane. Maybe the FA can too, but the GA has to know anyway since the GA will have to start communicating with dispatch, and I'm not sure the FA has that ability. |
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