YHZ to YYZ then to MSP
Jun 11, 2018, 3:05 pm
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YHZ to YYZ then to MSP
I cannot seem to get a straight answer from DL. We leave YHZ (Halifax) on WestJet and arrive YYZ Toronto with 1 hour 25 minute connect to MSP on DL. Timing is arrival at 7:51 Sunday AM if that makes a difference. My questions are:
1. If I am not checking luggage can we make it? If we do check luggage can we make it? We both have Global Entry
2. Do we change terminals? If so what from what what? And what is the process as I have never been to YYZ.
3. I assume (DL 4 agents who are clueless claim we clear US Customs and Immigration in either YHZ or MSP) we clear in YYZ.
Any suggestions or advice welcome. Thank you in advance.
1. If I am not checking luggage can we make it? If we do check luggage can we make it? We both have Global Entry
2. Do we change terminals? If so what from what what? And what is the process as I have never been to YYZ.
3. I assume (DL 4 agents who are clueless claim we clear US Customs and Immigration in either YHZ or MSP) we clear in YYZ.
Any suggestions or advice welcome. Thank you in advance.
Jun 11, 2018, 6:06 pm
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The internet is your friend. Try this website:
https://www.torontopearson.com/Connecting
You'll be arriving at Toronto Pearson on WestJet at Terminal 3, and connecting through Terminal 3 on Delta.
Easy. Basically go out of secure area, then to security and USA immigration and you are done.
I would not expect DL phone agents to know all the details. Too many permutations. Different airlines go to different terminals, your visa/passport status and so on.
https://www.torontopearson.com/Connecting
You'll be arriving at Toronto Pearson on WestJet at Terminal 3, and connecting through Terminal 3 on Delta.
Easy. Basically go out of secure area, then to security and USA immigration and you are done.
I would not expect DL phone agents to know all the details. Too many permutations. Different airlines go to different terminals, your visa/passport status and so on.
Jun 11, 2018, 6:25 pm
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There can be long lines for transborder flights. IIRC the cutoff would officially be the same with or without checked bags. IME in parctice, you go to the check in counter before accessing the preclearance area, so even if you have a boarding pass, it's not obvious that you would be allowed to fly if you appear after one hour cutoff.
Will this be a single ticket/PNR? If so, you can book it if and only if the flights satisfy the relevant MCT requirements.
As usual, separate tickets are a risk.
Will this be a single ticket/PNR? If so, you can book it if and only if the flights satisfy the relevant MCT requirements.
As usual, separate tickets are a risk.
Jun 11, 2018, 6:47 pm
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There can be long lines for transborder flights. IIRC the cutoff would officially be the same with or without checked bags. IME in parctice, you go to the check in counter before accessing the preclearance area, so even if you have a boarding pass, it's not obvious that you would be allowed to fly if you appear after one hour cutoff.
Will this be a single ticket/PNR? If so, you can book it if and only if the flights satisfy the relevant MCT requirements.
As usual, separate tickets are a risk.
Will this be a single ticket/PNR? If so, you can book it if and only if the flights satisfy the relevant MCT requirements.
As usual, separate tickets are a risk.
Jun 11, 2018, 6:50 pm
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Since WS and DL are semi-related your bags will be tagged to MSP and will be transferred at YYZ.
You will clear US CBP at YYZ.
From domestic arrival, head up to departure, US end and clear CATSA security and then US CBP and you are at the gate.
HOWEVER
WITH CHECKED BAGS:
The bags need to be photo/xray'd for CBP inspection. You will not be admitted post security to the CBP area until this has been confirmed. If the bag's photo has not been verified then you are placed in a holding area before CBP until your check bags are verified.
SUNDAY MORNINGS:
Sunday morning is a busy transborder time at YYZ as there are many travellers heading south to catch their cruise. Expect a long lineup of infrequent travellers. My personal rule of thumb is not to fly out Sunday and Monday mornings from YYZ to the US
You will clear US CBP at YYZ.
From domestic arrival, head up to departure, US end and clear CATSA security and then US CBP and you are at the gate.
HOWEVER
WITH CHECKED BAGS:
The bags need to be photo/xray'd for CBP inspection. You will not be admitted post security to the CBP area until this has been confirmed. If the bag's photo has not been verified then you are placed in a holding area before CBP until your check bags are verified.
SUNDAY MORNINGS:
Sunday morning is a busy transborder time at YYZ as there are many travellers heading south to catch their cruise. Expect a long lineup of infrequent travellers. My personal rule of thumb is not to fly out Sunday and Monday mornings from YYZ to the US
Jun 11, 2018, 7:00 pm
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Since WS and DL are semi-related your bags will be tagged to MSP and will be transferred at YYZ.
You will clear US CBP at YYZ.
From domestic arrival, head up to departure, US end and clear CATSA security and then US CBP and you are at the gate.
HOWEVER
WITH CHECKED BAGS:
The bags need to be photo/xray'd for CBP inspection. You will not be admitted post security to the CBP area until this has been confirmed. If the bag's photo has not been verified then you are placed in a holding area before CBP until your check bags are verified.
SUNDAY MORNINGS:
Sunday morning is a busy transborder time at YYZ as there are many travellers heading south to catch their cruise. Expect a long lineup of infrequent travellers. My personal rule of thumb is not to fly out Sunday and Monday mornings from YYZ to the US
You will clear US CBP at YYZ.
From domestic arrival, head up to departure, US end and clear CATSA security and then US CBP and you are at the gate.
HOWEVER
WITH CHECKED BAGS:
The bags need to be photo/xray'd for CBP inspection. You will not be admitted post security to the CBP area until this has been confirmed. If the bag's photo has not been verified then you are placed in a holding area before CBP until your check bags are verified.
SUNDAY MORNINGS:
Sunday morning is a busy transborder time at YYZ as there are many travellers heading south to catch their cruise. Expect a long lineup of infrequent travellers. My personal rule of thumb is not to fly out Sunday and Monday mornings from YYZ to the US
We still don't know whether the OP will have one or two tickets/PNRs. Even with DL and WestJet being (nonalliance) bilateral partners, I wouldn't could on Halifax checking bags through across different tickets/PNRs, but I don't know how large an operation WestJet has there and in particular, whether airport contract workers are used at the check in counter.
We also don't know what MCT for this routing would be.
For a minute, I giggled about hoards of kettles coming to MSP to get their cruise. Our lakes aren't that big, although there would be a few riverboats and maybe even something from Duluth/Superior along the North Shore, but I wouldn't expect that to be very appealing to Canadians.
We also don't know what MCT for this routing would be.
For a minute, I giggled about hoards of kettles coming to MSP to get their cruise. Our lakes aren't that big, although there would be a few riverboats and maybe even something from Duluth/Superior along the North Shore, but I wouldn't expect that to be very appealing to Canadians.
Jun 11, 2018, 7:04 pm
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We still don't know whether the OP will have one or two tickets/PNRs. Even with DL and WestJet being (nonalliance) bilateral partners, I wouldn't could on Halifax checking bags through across different tickets/PNRs, but I don't know how large an operation WestJet has there and in particular, whether airport contract workers are used at the check in counter.
We also don't know what MCT for this routing would be.
For a minute, I giggled about hoards of kettles coming to MSP to get their cruise. Our lakes aren't that big, although there would be a few riverboats and maybe even something from Duluth/Superior along the North Shore, but I wouldn't expect that to be very appealing to Canadians.
We also don't know what MCT for this routing would be.
For a minute, I giggled about hoards of kettles coming to MSP to get their cruise. Our lakes aren't that big, although there would be a few riverboats and maybe even something from Duluth/Superior along the North Shore, but I wouldn't expect that to be very appealing to Canadians.
Jun 11, 2018, 7:25 pm
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Jun 11, 2018, 7:38 pm
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Agents no longer calculate MCT. It is baked into the software. If the connection exceeds MCT, it is bookable. If not, it can't be booked.
If on separate tickets, MCT is irrelevant and OP can book whatever he wants because he is no longer connecting. He is, however, taking on all the risk of a no show for the second ticket.
If on separate tickets, MCT is irrelevant and OP can book whatever he wants because he is no longer connecting. He is, however, taking on all the risk of a no show for the second ticket.
Jun 11, 2018, 7:48 pm
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You bypass the regular security lines with a Global Entry/Nexus card. Note that TSA Precheck on your boarding pass is completely irrelevant at YYZ. And you can arrive less than 60 minutes prior to your flight at YYZ if you already have your YYZ>MSP boarding pass and no checked luggage as no one will know.
Jun 11, 2018, 9:14 pm
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YYZ terminal 3 is comparatively small so it's a fairly painless connection. You're arriving in YYZ on a domestic flight, so you will disembark into the domestic concourse (B gates). Look for the purple doors / signage near gate B 24 (see map at https://www.torontopearson.com/uploa...ty_May2017.png ... or just ask anyone) for US connections. You'll go through a security check, then pre-clear US Customs in Toronto (there are Global Entry machines). From there you make your way to the gate. Easy peasy.
I haven't checked a bag in years so I can't speak to what that means for your connection time. But with carry-on you'll be fine - assuming an on-time arrival from YHZ.
I haven't checked a bag in years so I can't speak to what that means for your connection time. But with carry-on you'll be fine - assuming an on-time arrival from YHZ.
Jun 12, 2018, 3:07 am
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I have 1 PNR for the whole trip MSP-YYZ-YYG YHZ-YYZ-MSP paid in US$ my wife has 2 PNRs 1 MSP-YYZ-YYG paid in US$ and 1 YHZ-YYZ-MSP points.
Thanks for all the replies.
Thanks for all the replies.
Jun 12, 2018, 3:33 am
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Re: CBP bag verification photos - I have this bag that is camera shy and it cause me to spend a bit of time in the pre-CBP, luggage failed to be photo verified "lounge". I noticed that many there were on WS domestic inbound to DL US bound with bags that were camera shy. DL did rebooked them onto a later flight as they cannot be cleared by CBP for US entry without that bag verification.