Return of 757 to MCO
Dec 28, 2017, 3:25 pm
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Dec 28, 2017, 5:37 pm
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Dec 28, 2017, 9:45 pm
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Incorrect. The highest capacity, strictly domestic fleet type is the 757-300 with 234 seats, easily besting any configuration of the 757-200 which, interestingly, also operates internationally on thin routes to places like KEF and Western Europe, as well as the handful of remaining interport flights from NRT.
That's debatable, especially given how few economy seats are to the left upon boarding. You have any numbers to back that up?
All parts of the U.S. experience bad weather. What about snowstorms with high winds/low vis in the Midwest and East Coast? Regardless, the only Delta fleet that you really have to worry about are the MD-88/MD-90 which have lower operating limits in high crosswind scenarios, while the rest of the mainline fleet has slightly higher operational limits. Take a look the next time ATL has very high winds -- you'll see a large number of MD-88/MD-90 flights cancelled compared to the A3xx, B737-xxx, and B757 fleets.
Uh, sure. The only aircraft I've ever heard Delta pilots complain about the operating performance on is the 737-900 in that you can't get to cruising altitude as quickly, you have to "stair step" it, taking a bit longer. However, the weather you're talking about punching through is low enough altitude that the entire mainline fleet can get through/past it in a similar amount of time. If they couldn't, then Delta wouldn't be operating those fleet types, especially given the propensity for summer thunderstorms in/around ATL and, as you mention, Florida (aside from all the other thunderstorms that the rest of the country experience).
As others have mentioned, just state that you prefer the 757 and be done with it. You don't need to justify an opinion, but if you start making claims, make sure you can back them up with facts. A lot of us prefer the A321 due to the newer interiors and better creature comforts (there are still 757s flying around without Sat TV and without the refurbished larger IFE screens, you know). But I'm not going to try and justify that with pseudo-facts, like the A321 has smoother braking or a more consistent takeoff roll.
All parts of the U.S. experience bad weather. What about snowstorms with high winds/low vis in the Midwest and East Coast? Regardless, the only Delta fleet that you really have to worry about are the MD-88/MD-90 which have lower operating limits in high crosswind scenarios, while the rest of the mainline fleet has slightly higher operational limits. Take a look the next time ATL has very high winds -- you'll see a large number of MD-88/MD-90 flights cancelled compared to the A3xx, B737-xxx, and B757 fleets.
Uh, sure. The only aircraft I've ever heard Delta pilots complain about the operating performance on is the 737-900 in that you can't get to cruising altitude as quickly, you have to "stair step" it, taking a bit longer. However, the weather you're talking about punching through is low enough altitude that the entire mainline fleet can get through/past it in a similar amount of time. If they couldn't, then Delta wouldn't be operating those fleet types, especially given the propensity for summer thunderstorms in/around ATL and, as you mention, Florida (aside from all the other thunderstorms that the rest of the country experience).
As others have mentioned, just state that you prefer the 757 and be done with it. You don't need to justify an opinion, but if you start making claims, make sure you can back them up with facts. A lot of us prefer the A321 due to the newer interiors and better creature comforts (there are still 757s flying around without Sat TV and without the refurbished larger IFE screens, you know). But I'm not going to try and justify that with pseudo-facts, like the A321 has smoother braking or a more consistent takeoff roll.
Dec 28, 2017, 9:55 pm
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Incorrect. The highest capacity, strictly domestic fleet type is the 757-300 with 234 seats, easily besting any configuration of the 757-200 which, interestingly, also operates internationally on thin routes to places like KEF and Western Europe, as well as the handful of remaining interport flights from NRT.
That's debatable, especially given how few economy seats are to the left upon boarding. You have any numbers to back that up?
All parts of the U.S. experience bad weather. What about snowstorms with high winds/low vis in the Midwest and East Coast? Regardless, the only Delta fleet that you really have to worry about are the MD-88/MD-90 which have lower operating limits in high crosswind scenarios, while the rest of the mainline fleet has slightly higher operational limits. Take a look the next time ATL has very high winds -- you'll see a large number of MD-88/MD-90 flights cancelled compared to the A3xx, B737-xxx, and B757 fleets.
Uh, sure. The only aircraft I've ever heard Delta pilots complain about the operating performance on is the 737-900 in that you can't get to cruising altitude as quickly, you have to "stair step" it, taking a bit longer. However, the weather you're talking about punching through is low enough altitude that the entire mainline fleet can get through/past it in a similar amount of time. If they couldn't, then Delta wouldn't be operating those fleet types, especially given the propensity for summer thunderstorms in/around ATL and, as you mention, Florida (aside from all the other thunderstorms that the rest of the country experience).
As others have mentioned, just state that you prefer the 757 and be done with it. You don't need to justify an opinion, but if you start making claims, make sure you can back them up with facts. A lot of us prefer the A321 due to the newer interiors and better creature comforts (there are still 757s flying around without Sat TV and without the refurbished larger IFE screens, you know). But I'm not going to try and justify that with pseudo-facts, like the A321 has smoother braking or a more consistent takeoff roll.
That's debatable, especially given how few economy seats are to the left upon boarding. You have any numbers to back that up?
All parts of the U.S. experience bad weather. What about snowstorms with high winds/low vis in the Midwest and East Coast? Regardless, the only Delta fleet that you really have to worry about are the MD-88/MD-90 which have lower operating limits in high crosswind scenarios, while the rest of the mainline fleet has slightly higher operational limits. Take a look the next time ATL has very high winds -- you'll see a large number of MD-88/MD-90 flights cancelled compared to the A3xx, B737-xxx, and B757 fleets.
Uh, sure. The only aircraft I've ever heard Delta pilots complain about the operating performance on is the 737-900 in that you can't get to cruising altitude as quickly, you have to "stair step" it, taking a bit longer. However, the weather you're talking about punching through is low enough altitude that the entire mainline fleet can get through/past it in a similar amount of time. If they couldn't, then Delta wouldn't be operating those fleet types, especially given the propensity for summer thunderstorms in/around ATL and, as you mention, Florida (aside from all the other thunderstorms that the rest of the country experience).
As others have mentioned, just state that you prefer the 757 and be done with it. You don't need to justify an opinion, but if you start making claims, make sure you can back them up with facts. A lot of us prefer the A321 due to the newer interiors and better creature comforts (there are still 757s flying around without Sat TV and without the refurbished larger IFE screens, you know). But I'm not going to try and justify that with pseudo-facts, like the A321 has smoother braking or a more consistent takeoff roll.
Second of all, it's called a "step climb".
Dec 28, 2017, 9:59 pm
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Amen to that! Still a favorite with 2L Boarding in 99.9% of the flights......some of my favorite flights on the 757 are the outbound flights from JAC or GCM where you do not board through a jetway but instead walk onto the tarmac........having a minute or two to walk up to this aircraft to get a chance to see how beautiful and massive it is truly is a magnificent thing.
Dec 28, 2017, 10:04 pm
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Amen to that! Still a favorite with 2L Boarding in 99.9% of the flights......some of my favorite flights on the 757 are the outbound flights from JAC or GCM where you do not board through a jetway but instead walk onto the tarmac........having a minute or two to walk up to this aircraft to get a chance to see how beautiful and massive it is truly is a magnificent thing.
Dec 28, 2017, 10:08 pm
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Florida is generally where Delta sends the older aircraft. The L-1011, 767-200, and 737-200 were all frequent visitors in their end days. Delta also sent the PMNW 5500 series 757's to FL to die. It's a good way to cycle out aircraft near the end of their service life.
