Changing Country of Residence in the Post-MQD Era (Definitive)
Oct 6, 2017, 1:23 am
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It isn't ridiculous to think DL might use flight history as a method to determine who they audit. It's the most information they have about the account.
However if I were DL I would look first at accounts who are flying out of the USA internationally, but not to their supposed location, before targeting domestic flyers.
As I've already noted, I am pretty much a domestic DL flyer who might appear to be based in LAX to DL (because I rarely fly DL from Australia, or credit my VA flights to DL), but have had no issues. Hopefully that doesn't change. I am definitely a real international member not a fake one.
However if I were DL I would look first at accounts who are flying out of the USA internationally, but not to their supposed location, before targeting domestic flyers.
As I've already noted, I am pretty much a domestic DL flyer who might appear to be based in LAX to DL (because I rarely fly DL from Australia, or credit my VA flights to DL), but have had no issues. Hopefully that doesn't change. I am definitely a real international member not a fake one.
Oct 6, 2017, 4:17 am
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It isn't ridiculous to think DL might use flight history as a method to determine who they audit. It's the most information they have about the account.
However if I were DL I would look first at accounts who are flying out of the USA internationally, but not to their supposed location, before targeting domestic flyers.
As I've already noted, I am pretty much a domestic DL flyer who might appear to be based in LAX to DL (because I rarely fly DL from Australia, or credit my VA flights to DL), but have had no issues. Hopefully that doesn't change. I am definitely a real international member not a fake one.
However if I were DL I would look first at accounts who are flying out of the USA internationally, but not to their supposed location, before targeting domestic flyers.
As I've already noted, I am pretty much a domestic DL flyer who might appear to be based in LAX to DL (because I rarely fly DL from Australia, or credit my VA flights to DL), but have had no issues. Hopefully that doesn't change. I am definitely a real international member not a fake one.
Oct 6, 2017, 6:35 am
#153
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Bring on the popcorn!
I mean for 20 years you have told Delta that you live in Atlanta and suddenly in 2018 you live in Asia or Europe LOL! Good Luck folks!
Oct 6, 2017, 7:04 am
#154
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If you declare a foreign address as your residence when it's not really that, then you're trying to game the system. Delta might or might not find out, and you can provide whatever documents you have in the hope to make them go away, but they're the only ones who can determine whether you're actually living where you claim to live, or not.
I've over a million Skymiles on my account, and about to qualify for DM for 2018. I'd rather not risk losing all of that. I'll have to be PM going forward starting with 2019, or qualify on MQDs (plus MQM, of course).
Oct 6, 2017, 7:19 am
#155
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How can delta determine where you actually live without sending someone to your intl address, knock on your door, ask for ID a DNA sample to verify it is you. (Surprised Delta doesn't have us upload selfies to our accounts)
What bugs me is that even though my primary address is an intl address on my SkyMiles account 9 out of 10 times when checking in Delta will ask me for my US address. I technically don't have one and just put my old home address.
What bugs me is that even though my primary address is an intl address on my SkyMiles account 9 out of 10 times when checking in Delta will ask me for my US address. I technically don't have one and just put my old home address.
Oct 6, 2017, 7:36 am
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How can you say that with certainty?
If you declare a foreign address as your residence when it's not really that, then you're trying to game the system. Delta might or might not find out, and you can provide whatever documents you have in the hope to make them go away, but they're the only ones who can determine whether you're actually living where you claim to live, or not.
I've over a million Skymiles on my account, and about to qualify for DM for 2018. I'd rather not risk losing all of that. I'll have to be PM going forward starting with 2019, or qualify on MQDs (plus MQM, of course).
If you declare a foreign address as your residence when it's not really that, then you're trying to game the system. Delta might or might not find out, and you can provide whatever documents you have in the hope to make them go away, but they're the only ones who can determine whether you're actually living where you claim to live, or not.
I've over a million Skymiles on my account, and about to qualify for DM for 2018. I'd rather not risk losing all of that. I'll have to be PM going forward starting with 2019, or qualify on MQDs (plus MQM, of course).
Oct 6, 2017, 9:37 am
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You might get away with it if your home is a international gateway for Delta. But if all your trips start or end in CID then it is much harder to say "Oh, I just flew OAL from my foreign home..."
Oct 6, 2017, 11:03 am
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Can anyone show this supposed domestic only rule? Or show where action was taken based on only flying domestic? IMO only flying domestic is in DLs interest. No international flights means getting elite status is much, much harder.
Oct 6, 2017, 12:26 pm
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However that's not the criteria DL used. DL simply cares what address is listed as primary. To list an address outside US, you need a document on the list. No where in there, is any requirement to fly DL internationally.
Can anyone show this supposed domestic only rule? Or show where action was taken based on only flying domestic? IMO only flying domestic is in DLs interest. No international flights means getting elite status is much, much harder.
Can anyone show this supposed domestic only rule? Or show where action was taken based on only flying domestic? IMO only flying domestic is in DLs interest. No international flights means getting elite status is much, much harder.
I don't know how Delta will deal with a situation like this, but it certainly seems to me that the OP can meet the requirements if the intention isn't to reside indefinitely in the USA. And there's no such thing as "Delta Law" or a "Delta Immigration Act." It won't make the OP inadmissible or removable if Delta interprets their rules differently than he would. The worst that could happen would be that Delta would throw the OP out of the program, forcing him to fly Emirates and sit at the bar on the airplane, or deliberately extend connecting times in Hong Kong in order to maximize time spent in the lounge.
Oct 6, 2017, 1:32 pm
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However that's not the criteria DL used. DL simply cares what address is listed as primary. To list an address outside US, you need a document on the list. No where in there, is any requirement to fly DL internationally.
Can anyone show this supposed domestic only rule? Or show where action was taken based on only flying domestic? IMO only flying domestic is in DLs interest. No international flights means getting elite status is much, much harder.
Can anyone show this supposed domestic only rule? Or show where action was taken based on only flying domestic? IMO only flying domestic is in DLs interest. No international flights means getting elite status is much, much harder.
Because, it is cheating, and you might or might not get caught, but you stand to lose a lot if you do.
The rest is your interpretation of the rules. Delta's might differ, considering that they don't want US residents to cheat.
Oct 6, 2017, 1:47 pm
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That's up to Delta to determine.
I also have to wonder why people on here are getting so mad about others using a foreign address and how these people are "cheating" Delta. I'd venture to say that it comes down more to jealousy that others can take advantage of the "loophole" while the one getting mad about it can't. Otherwise, why care? That's between Delta and the ones using a foreign address.
I also have to wonder why people on here are getting so mad about others using a foreign address and how these people are "cheating" Delta. I'd venture to say that it comes down more to jealousy that others can take advantage of the "loophole" while the one getting mad about it can't. Otherwise, why care? That's between Delta and the ones using a foreign address.
Oct 6, 2017, 6:08 pm
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I don't think anybody is complaining about those who legitimately have (or can claim) a foreign address. My comments were directed to those who were talking about "manufacturing" a foreign address.
Oct 6, 2017, 7:00 pm
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Oct 7, 2017, 1:44 am
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Do you think that by trying to circumvent the rules, you're cheating?
Because, it is cheating, and you might or might not get caught, but you stand to lose a lot if you do.
The rest is your interpretation of the rules. Delta's might differ, considering that they don't want US residents to cheat.
Because, it is cheating, and you might or might not get caught, but you stand to lose a lot if you do.
The rest is your interpretation of the rules. Delta's might differ, considering that they don't want US residents to cheat.