Standby List Names Got Delta One Seats
Aug 30, 2017, 7:59 pm
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As an airline pilot myself (former delta connection), the non-rev benefit is something that is great when it works, but an absolute nightmare when it doesn't. Over the last few years I've non-revved domestically and internationally. Domestically 80% of the time I was in Y, 15% in C+, and 5% F. There were however countless times I'd come nowhere close to clearing the standby list. As a DL connection pilot we were below DL mainline employee (both active and retired) so it could be very tricky. Internationally I always cleared to C+, but never made the cut to D1.
I'm still a pilot, but for a non DL affiliated carrier. So my priority is even lower than a DL buddy pass. I don't even attempt it anymore. Too much hassle. I'm back to buying confirmed tickets (Y and the occasional F) to gain status, miles, and overall avoid the headache.
I believe it is correct airline employees should receive these benefits, but I also believe they should drastically limit the benefit to a certain number of segments per year. It's to the point that many airline employees (myself included) can't enjoy this perk of the job because of the dozens and dozens of non revs that list for each flight.
I'm still a pilot, but for a non DL affiliated carrier. So my priority is even lower than a DL buddy pass. I don't even attempt it anymore. Too much hassle. I'm back to buying confirmed tickets (Y and the occasional F) to gain status, miles, and overall avoid the headache.
I believe it is correct airline employees should receive these benefits, but I also believe they should drastically limit the benefit to a certain number of segments per year. It's to the point that many airline employees (myself included) can't enjoy this perk of the job because of the dozens and dozens of non revs that list for each flight.
MCO (no chance of getting on the nonstops) -> ATL -> LAX (got bumped of course and had to sleep on the then cold freezing floors of T5 for the next few hours) -> MSP
or perhaps more fun..
MSP -> IND -> CLH -> ATL -> DAB
Yes, I've legit done four and five stops for what often can be often a nonstop (its also why segment limits aren't likely the best idea unless we can add flights to a given PNR and limit the benefit that way).
It's.. Been something. Thats for sure.
So those few times we get D1... Yeah, you have no idea how much we appreciate it. They're very much few and far between.
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Aug 30, 2017, 10:05 pm
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Aug 31, 2017, 12:22 am
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Aug 31, 2017, 12:31 am
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The impression I got from the OP's question is asking if 8 non-revs getting D1 on that route is normal. And I've stuck with that interpretation. I was never talking about lists. But the way the OP's question was worded makes it somewhat ambiguous.
Aug 31, 2017, 9:11 am
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I agree the OP's wording is vague enough to interpret it either way.
Aug 31, 2017, 9:53 am
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or doesn't have to be doing well at all if compared to a job the FO would actually likely get. Also that's the median for Capitan on international widebodies. Most pilots make no where near that.
Aug 31, 2017, 4:41 pm
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Bloomberg also just published an article on Delta. $180K is typical annual pay for a first year captain after they've completed training.
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Aug 31, 2017, 5:57 pm
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Not according to the search i did. The captians for longhaul were specifically listed separate. Pilots/copilot was used for as the term for most pilot positions with "Captain" reserved for senior/longhaul left seaters. Also knowing multiple first year/second year FO (mainly MD88/90) they make no where close to $180k. It maybe an average across all first officers, but i know zero brand new hire pilots making $180k.
Aug 31, 2017, 6:11 pm
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The post claiming this isn't true cites nothing, claims to have done a search but does not mention any sites or provide any links and changes the word "captain" to "pilot" which is an entirely different thing. Why people post what they don't know or cannot verify is beyond me, but thankfully there are very few people that do this: perhaps only one.
Hmm, which do we believe, the verifiable information or the just-believe-me information? You would think if someone really just did a search it would be a no-brainer to include the link.
Aug 31, 2017, 6:22 pm
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Not according to the search i did. The captians for longhaul were specifically listed separate. Pilots/copilot was used for as the term for most pilot positions with "Captain" reserved for senior/longhaul left seaters. Also knowing multiple first year/second year FO (mainly MD88/90) they make no where close to $180k. It maybe an average across all first officers, but i know zero brand new hire pilots making $180k.
Bloomberg, August 30, 2017
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...this-old-plane
"Pilots say about $180,000 is typical annual pay for first-year captains after they’ve completed training."
PayScale.com
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...nes_Inc/Salary
Keep in mind Delta pilots often receive profit sharing in addition to salary. On pure salary basis are paid less than a number of other carriers.
Aug 31, 2017, 6:25 pm
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Not according to the search i did. The captians for longhaul were specifically listed separate. Pilots/copilot was used for as the term for most pilot positions with "Captain" reserved for senior/longhaul left seaters. Also knowing multiple first year/second year FO (mainly MD88/90) they make no where close to $180k. It maybe an average across all first officers, but i know zero brand new hire pilots making $180k.
Aug 31, 2017, 7:55 pm
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Nor are there expert friends.
Aug 31, 2017, 9:19 pm
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article is inaccurate. First year captain pay on the 88/90 for those guys that chose to bid it is $222/hr. Let's say a guarantee of 75 hours a month which is extremely on the conservative end. That is $17,025 a month, not including per diem. So in base pay alone, $204,300. Oh and there is 16% 401k contributions, there's another $32,688. And if you count profit sharing (which should be counted as a bonus and not part of salary) but for this example let's do. Conservatively thats 15% so thats $30,645. So including that, the LOWEST paid captain is taking home at a minimum $267,633 + per diem. Many senior first officers make more than that. So I'd say the median is on the low end. Even counting zero profit sharing, $236,988.
Sep 1, 2017, 6:38 am
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Sep 1, 2017, 6:58 am
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The hourly rate is correct. The assumptions are not correct. Things to consider are a new hire pilot at Delta is not a new pilot. The average new hire age is over 36. A new hire will spend 4 months in training getting paid about 4750 a month. There was one brief period where a couple of pilots were awarded Captain in NYC while still in their first year. One pilot had 4 months with the company. By the time that pilot completed training and began flying as a Captain they had 9 months with the company so only received 3 months pay at CA rates. The lifestyle of a reserve CA in NYC is almost intolerable and expenses very high. In the past upgrades to CA ran 12 to 18 years. It's dropping but the average time at Delta to upgrade is probably 10 years.