New GM Need some help please.
#1
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Join Date: Jun 2017
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New GM Need some help please.
Hi All,
I'm a new GM that is trying to learn the ropes and I will be a PM in a week. I also have the Amex Reserve card. I have some questions I was hoping some pros could answer. This is my first year of heavy travel. I have been lurking a bit doing my best get down the slang
1. Whats the best days to fly for upgrades?
2. Whats the best times?
3. Whats the overall upgrade chance roughly for 1st as PM?
4. Should I disable C+ upgrades? It seems some say this could kill F upgrade.
5. Can I set a preference for no C+ middle seats. I would rather have isle C.
6. Should I always wait to board the plane in case someone does not show? It seems every other flight they fly with 1 F seat open due to D5 (as a GA told me) trying to close the doors early
Thanks so much for your time in helping a GM, soon to be PM out.
Warm Regards,
KN
I'm a new GM that is trying to learn the ropes and I will be a PM in a week. I also have the Amex Reserve card. I have some questions I was hoping some pros could answer. This is my first year of heavy travel. I have been lurking a bit doing my best get down the slang
1. Whats the best days to fly for upgrades?
2. Whats the best times?
3. Whats the overall upgrade chance roughly for 1st as PM?
4. Should I disable C+ upgrades? It seems some say this could kill F upgrade.
5. Can I set a preference for no C+ middle seats. I would rather have isle C.
6. Should I always wait to board the plane in case someone does not show? It seems every other flight they fly with 1 F seat open due to D5 (as a GA told me) trying to close the doors early
Thanks so much for your time in helping a GM, soon to be PM out.
Warm Regards,
KN
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Hi All,
I'm a new GM that is trying to learn the ropes and I will be a PM in a week. I also have the Amex Reserve card. I have some questions I was hoping some pros could answer. This is my first year of heavy travel. I have been lurking a bit doing my best get down the slang
1. Whats the best days to fly for upgrades? Saturday and Sunday morning
2. Whats the best times? Usually middays during the week, Saturday, and Sunday morning
3. Whats the overall upgrade chance roughly for 1st as PM? Varies widely based on routes and travel patterns. Some are at 100% others are at 0%
4. Should I disable C+ upgrades? It seems some say this could kill F upgrade. It's up to you. You do risk getting put into a middle C+ seat. I don't care but a lot of folks do.
5. Can I set a preference for no C+ middle seats. I would rather have isle C.
no
6. Should I always wait to board the plane in case someone does not show? It seems every other flight they fly with 1 F seat open due to D5 (as a GA told me) trying to close the doors early Unless you're at the top of the upgrade list, it's probably not worth it
Thanks so much for your time in helping a GM, soon to be PM out.
Warm Regards,
KN
I'm a new GM that is trying to learn the ropes and I will be a PM in a week. I also have the Amex Reserve card. I have some questions I was hoping some pros could answer. This is my first year of heavy travel. I have been lurking a bit doing my best get down the slang
1. Whats the best days to fly for upgrades? Saturday and Sunday morning
2. Whats the best times? Usually middays during the week, Saturday, and Sunday morning
3. Whats the overall upgrade chance roughly for 1st as PM? Varies widely based on routes and travel patterns. Some are at 100% others are at 0%
4. Should I disable C+ upgrades? It seems some say this could kill F upgrade. It's up to you. You do risk getting put into a middle C+ seat. I don't care but a lot of folks do.
5. Can I set a preference for no C+ middle seats. I would rather have isle C.
no
6. Should I always wait to board the plane in case someone does not show? It seems every other flight they fly with 1 F seat open due to D5 (as a GA told me) trying to close the doors early Unless you're at the top of the upgrade list, it's probably not worth it
Thanks so much for your time in helping a GM, soon to be PM out.
Warm Regards,
KN
#5
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Hi All,
I'm a new GM that is trying to learn the ropes and I will be a PM in a week. I also have the Amex Reserve card. I have some questions I was hoping some pros could answer. This is my first year of heavy travel. I have been lurking a bit doing my best get down the slang
1. Whats the best days to fly for upgrades?
2. Whats the best times?
3. Whats the overall upgrade chance roughly for 1st as PM?
4. Should I disable C+ upgrades? It seems some say this could kill F upgrade.
5. Can I set a preference for no C+ middle seats. I would rather have isle C.
6. Should I always wait to board the plane in case someone does not show? It seems every other flight they fly with 1 F seat open due to D5 (as a GA told me) trying to close the doors early
Thanks so much for your time in helping a GM, soon to be PM out.
Warm Regards,
KN
I'm a new GM that is trying to learn the ropes and I will be a PM in a week. I also have the Amex Reserve card. I have some questions I was hoping some pros could answer. This is my first year of heavy travel. I have been lurking a bit doing my best get down the slang
1. Whats the best days to fly for upgrades?
2. Whats the best times?
3. Whats the overall upgrade chance roughly for 1st as PM?
4. Should I disable C+ upgrades? It seems some say this could kill F upgrade.
5. Can I set a preference for no C+ middle seats. I would rather have isle C.
6. Should I always wait to board the plane in case someone does not show? It seems every other flight they fly with 1 F seat open due to D5 (as a GA told me) trying to close the doors early
Thanks so much for your time in helping a GM, soon to be PM out.
Warm Regards,
KN
1. Whats the best days to fly for upgrades?
2. Whats the best times?
3. Whats the overall upgrade chance roughly for 1st as PM?
2. Whats the best times?
3. Whats the overall upgrade chance roughly for 1st as PM?
4. Should I disable C+ upgrades? It seems some say this could kill F upgrade.
5. Can I set a preference for no C+ middle seats. I would rather have isle C.
6. Should I always wait to board the plane in case someone does not show? It seems every other flight they fly with 1 F seat open due to D5 (as a GA told me) trying to close the doors early
#6
Join Date: Nov 2011
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Posts: 2,238
Hi All,
I'm a new GM that is trying to learn the ropes and I will be a PM in a week. I also have the Amex Reserve card. I have some questions I was hoping some pros could answer. This is my first year of heavy travel. I have been lurking a bit doing my best get down the slang
1. Whats the best days to fly for upgrades?
2. Whats the best times?
3. Whats the overall upgrade chance roughly for 1st as PM?
4. Should I disable C+ upgrades? It seems some say this could kill F upgrade.
5. Can I set a preference for no C+ middle seats. I would rather have isle C.
6. Should I always wait to board the plane in case someone does not show? It seems every other flight they fly with 1 F seat open due to D5 (as a GA told me) trying to close the doors early
Thanks so much for your time in helping a GM, soon to be PM out.
Warm Regards,
KN
I'm a new GM that is trying to learn the ropes and I will be a PM in a week. I also have the Amex Reserve card. I have some questions I was hoping some pros could answer. This is my first year of heavy travel. I have been lurking a bit doing my best get down the slang
1. Whats the best days to fly for upgrades?
2. Whats the best times?
3. Whats the overall upgrade chance roughly for 1st as PM?
4. Should I disable C+ upgrades? It seems some say this could kill F upgrade.
5. Can I set a preference for no C+ middle seats. I would rather have isle C.
6. Should I always wait to board the plane in case someone does not show? It seems every other flight they fly with 1 F seat open due to D5 (as a GA told me) trying to close the doors early
Thanks so much for your time in helping a GM, soon to be PM out.
Warm Regards,
KN
#7
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Join Date: Jun 2017
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In short, I don't care about the lounges, the food, the drink, or the better service. if I could get the same size seat in C (even without recline) I would be so happy!
@mnbp Yes, I'm doing the typical consultant pattern. Fly Sunday night/Monday morning and fly home Friday night. I am flying out of PHX which I feel helps. I can't imagine the competition in like LAX. Thanks for the information about downgrades and how to do it. Great tips.
Last edited by icebeam; Jun 7, 2017 at 8:52 am
#8
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I see that you are a DM. I would hope you get a lot of upgrades. I'm a big guy 6'6 300 and if I don't get upgrades I will take my bussiness elsewhere with status match. The bigger seats are the number 1 benefit of status to me. If I don't end up with > 50% upgrades on DL as PM with reserve I'm sure I will be asking the question of what airline has the best chance and doing a status match. I would think going out of of St. Paul you would have good odds.
In short, I don't care about the lounges, the food, the drink, or the better service. if I could get the same size seat in C (even without recline) I would be so happy!
@mnbp Yes, I'm doing the typical consultant pattern. Fly Sunday night/Monday morning and fly home Friday night. I am flying out of PHX which I feel helps. I can't imagine the competition in like LAX. Thanks for the information about downgrades and how to do it. Great tips.
In short, I don't care about the lounges, the food, the drink, or the better service. if I could get the same size seat in C (even without recline) I would be so happy!
@mnbp Yes, I'm doing the typical consultant pattern. Fly Sunday night/Monday morning and fly home Friday night. I am flying out of PHX which I feel helps. I can't imagine the competition in like LAX. Thanks for the information about downgrades and how to do it. Great tips.
#9
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I would say PM is upper tier. 3/4 levels achieved. If it takes DM to do it then fine, I will drop 1-2k of my own money and do a status run. By the end of the month I should have about 90k MQMs. Can get a 35k status run if needed.
#10
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That said, I really can't remember a single post that leads me to believe that paying extra for an Amex Reserve card makes any noticeable difference.
Also, I can't vouch for UG percentages on other airlines, but, from what I've read here, you should do better on Delta.
#11
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It might be a bit unrealistic to expect >50% upgrades as a PM. I am not sure there are many DMs with that level of success.
#12
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I see that you are a DM. I would hope you get a lot of upgrades. I'm a big guy 6'6 300 and if I don't get upgrades I will take my bussiness elsewhere with status match. The bigger seats are the number 1 benefit of status to me. If I don't end up with > 50% upgrades on DL as PM with reserve I'm sure I will be asking the question of what airline has the best chance and doing a status match. I would think going out of of St. Paul you would have good odds.
In short, I don't care about the lounges, the food, the drink, or the better service. if I could get the same size seat in C (even without recline) I would be so happy!
@mnbp Yes, I'm doing the typical consultant pattern. Fly Sunday night/Monday morning and fly home Friday night. I am flying out of PHX which I feel helps. I can't imagine the competition in like LAX. Thanks for the information about downgrades and how to do it. Great tips.
In short, I don't care about the lounges, the food, the drink, or the better service. if I could get the same size seat in C (even without recline) I would be so happy!
@mnbp Yes, I'm doing the typical consultant pattern. Fly Sunday night/Monday morning and fly home Friday night. I am flying out of PHX which I feel helps. I can't imagine the competition in like LAX. Thanks for the information about downgrades and how to do it. Great tips.
#13
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I think the OP could find disappointment at UA and AA, too, below top tier.
#14
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Others can and will chime in, but I am not sure I would expect even 50% upgrades (Platinum or Diamond) traveling Sunday night/Monday morning and Friday night. MSP is not great for upgrades. I fly a lot to RSW and get maybe 10% upgrades no matter what day of the week in season. The airlines want to SELL first class. Upgrading you is not a priority. I think Delta's goal is to eventually fill at least 70% with paid first class passengers. I think they are close now. PHX on Delta will mean a lot of connecting travel. Good luck!
#15
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You are unlikely to get 50% on consultant hours. Keep in mind the more senior people also pay to sit up front.
PM and DM makes a huge difference but still not enough. If you're flying TUE WED THR SAT, you should get >50% for DM.
Have you considered AA?