MQM run - does it seem worthwhile to anyone?
#16
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: BDU
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I did a MR this year which included a short stay in Shanghai. My hotel arranged a tour. There were two other guys on the tour, one from India and one from NYC. They guide asked each of us whether we were there on business or pleasure. I said pleasure. The guy from NYC then said he was there on a MR. I broke out laughing and admitted to him that I was also on a MR. The tour guide had never heard of such a thing.
#17
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Aside from the drive not being much fun, I had some pretty lousy experiences with customs on both sides of the border. I was honest about my length of stay and my primary reason for going. Apparently none of them had heard of a mileage run. I had my vehicle searched each time (in some cases getting delayed by an hour). The worst was a Canadian border agent in Sarnia who demanded my phone and made me unlock it so she could search it.
Earlier this year I was going to BUF for work. It turned out to be much less expensive to fly back from Toronto than BUF, and it had been awhile since I'd been to Toronto, so I figured what the heck. I had my car searched. It was a bewildering experience. The day before I had driven to Niagara Falls without issue. They opened my suitcase and checked every compartment of the rental car. They also asked to see my flight information from Toronto back to ATL.
Back to the OP's question, it really depends if you think these runs are worthwhile. Personally three RTs to HND are a lot more butt-in-seat time than I'd be willing to devote for a MR unless I was on the cusp of DM (I am not) and this would be the best way to push me over. But if those are the prices you're seeing, they are quite cost-effective (value of your time not counted).
#18
Join Date: Mar 2014
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Will echo everyone. It's up to you and your situation. Is it worth it for some? Yes.
I end up doing one mileage run of some type most years. Sometimes I don't.l It is worth it to me.
I end up doing one mileage run of some type most years. Sometimes I don't.l It is worth it to me.
#19
Join Date: May 2009
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OP doesn't appear to be a Canadian resident and is just driving to YYZ from DTW area.
I did runs to HKG and SIN from YYZ a couple years back with a couple days stay each for sightseeing and I'm in no hurry to do another one. Aside from the drive not being much fun, I had some pretty lousy experiences with customs on both sides of the border. I was honest about my length of stay and my primary reason for going. Apparently none of them had heard of a mileage run. I had my vehicle searched each time (in some cases getting delayed by an hour). The worst was a Canadian border agent in Sarnia who demanded my phone and made me unlock it so she could search it.
I also did a business trip to Europe from YYZ where I used the Robert Q. airbus to get from DTW to YYZ and booked hidden city back through DTW on the return. That one worked out better since I didn't have to drive and only had to cross the border once and had no issues with customs.
I did runs to HKG and SIN from YYZ a couple years back with a couple days stay each for sightseeing and I'm in no hurry to do another one. Aside from the drive not being much fun, I had some pretty lousy experiences with customs on both sides of the border. I was honest about my length of stay and my primary reason for going. Apparently none of them had heard of a mileage run. I had my vehicle searched each time (in some cases getting delayed by an hour). The worst was a Canadian border agent in Sarnia who demanded my phone and made me unlock it so she could search it.
I also did a business trip to Europe from YYZ where I used the Robert Q. airbus to get from DTW to YYZ and booked hidden city back through DTW on the return. That one worked out better since I didn't have to drive and only had to cross the border once and had no issues with customs.
I haven't been hassled for a mileage run since being approved for NEXUS. If you live in a border state and plan on doing this once in a while, it's a very worthwhile investment - otherwise, you'll be spending a lot of time in queues.
Keep in mind Canada does have some boneheaded regulations, and they can vary at the provincial level. I got screwed on my last trip bringing back two extra bottles of wine. Even though they were merely transiting British Columbia for only three hours, I had to pay duty. And BC taxes wine at 85% of value (seriously, that isn't a typo, and it applies to retail wine too!). And there is no officer discretion involved - the guy collecting the duty thought it was as unfair as we did. Fortunately it was a 5€ bottle of French rose, so it was a cheap lesson to learn, but wow. Makes the flexibility CBP has on choosing whether to collect small amounts of duty seem positively reasonable.
#20
Join Date: Jul 2015
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Another reason to do a MR when you have time and money (beside the previously mentioned perks at level and flying patterns), even if you already have status - is that is your flying patterns might change in the coming year - or you know you won't have the time or money to do a MR.
I've done MR the past two years - turns out I didn't need to last year as I had a couple of additional trips come up last minute that took care of my status push to DM, but a trip to Alaska with two of my daughters to see the Northern Lights (less than a month after seeing the Southern Lights) was TOTALLY worth it to me!
This year, a different daughter went to SIN, then KUL and REP with me - she gained Silver and I renewed DM to get more GUCs for my wife and I's bi-annual LAX-SYD hop. Now I'm 55,000 miles over for next year - again, totally worth it as I have 4 trips that have been annual for the last 4 years that were cancelled...odds are, I won't have to take a MR in 2017....but I probably will
I've done MR the past two years - turns out I didn't need to last year as I had a couple of additional trips come up last minute that took care of my status push to DM, but a trip to Alaska with two of my daughters to see the Northern Lights (less than a month after seeing the Southern Lights) was TOTALLY worth it to me!
This year, a different daughter went to SIN, then KUL and REP with me - she gained Silver and I renewed DM to get more GUCs for my wife and I's bi-annual LAX-SYD hop. Now I'm 55,000 miles over for next year - again, totally worth it as I have 4 trips that have been annual for the last 4 years that were cancelled...odds are, I won't have to take a MR in 2017....but I probably will