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3Cforme Dec 15, 2016 10:20 am


Originally Posted by TTT (Post 27616046)
Would Delta's JV with VA cover a XXX-AKL?

That is a good question. I don't know that the scope of the approved JV would permit VA to codeshare on a Delta-operated USA-AKL. A check of contemporary press releases and the DOT docket didn't answer that in the time I am willing to invest.:D

rdurlabhji Dec 15, 2016 10:26 am


Originally Posted by kop84 (Post 27615753)
I don't think the yields to India were that great to begin with. Now with the ME3 totally solidified there I highly doubt you'll see DL return to India any time soon.

The thing about flying to India with the ME3 is that you can get to the city you are going to in India connecting in the Middle East instead of in India, which is a huge plus. There are a lot of huge cities in India that get business/family/tourism traffic that aren't DEL/BOM and connecting there is awful if you want to get to JAI/BLR/MAA/HYD/CCU/etc.

N830MH Dec 15, 2016 10:38 am


Originally Posted by pvn (Post 27615769)
Do you have any information that is informing these or is this just like your personal wishlist?

Actually, it's just for my personal wishlist. I am talking about future ULH flight.

jasoncrh Dec 15, 2016 10:45 am

lol
 
ah yes, much more debatable. tbd!


Originally Posted by 3Cforme (Post 27616172)
Sorry, jasoncrh. That was my typo: I meant LAX-AKL on AA.


dmarge18 Dec 15, 2016 11:14 am


Originally Posted by readywhenyouare (Post 27614266)
ATL-ATL around the globe seasonally in December. 'The Medallion Re-Qualification Flight' It will use a modified CRJ-200 with an air to air refueling probe.

+1. How much do you really want those MQMs haha?

DA201 Dec 15, 2016 11:23 am


Originally Posted by airmotive (Post 27615379)
ATL/DTW-DEL/BOM

Delta pulled out of the BOM route a couple years ago because they said they couldn't compete with ME3. United seems to keep their non-stop flights full going both directions. If you can't make money with full planes, you can't make money. Hopefully the economics of the 350 can make direct access to India on DAL a reality.

Part of the reason United does well on their Indian flights is because of the strong O&D from NY. ATL doesn't have this O&D, but DL could definitely get enough connecting passengers. DL could really put pressure on QR out of ATL if they started these flights. There isn't too much ATL traffic to secondary Indian/SE Asian cities, so BOM & DEL traffic is most likely supporting QR's flight. DTW is also a good city for Indian flights.

Someone else mentioned JFK-HKG. I doubt this route will happen soon. I think HND/NRT, PVG, and PEK (maybe ICN as well if a JV with KE happens) will all see service from JFK first, and I don't think those are likely at the moment.

SEA-SIN would be smart if they are actually going to fully commit to SEA. ATL-TLV might also make sense, as UA is currently dominating USA-TLV traffic, and there is a fair amount of TLV-Florida traffic.

Bear4Asian Dec 15, 2016 11:23 am

Anyone for SEA-TPE?

pbarnette Dec 15, 2016 11:42 am


Originally Posted by DA201 (Post 27616549)
Part of the reason United does well on their Indian flights is because of the strong O&D from NY.

Do we actually know that UA does well on their Indian flights? And, given DL's revenue premium, what might be good for UA may not make the cut for DL.


Originally Posted by DA201 (Post 27616549)
there is a fair amount of TLV-Florida traffic.

And El Al will be starting service ex-MIA next year, leaving DL scrambling for crumbs if they started ATL-TLV.

kop84 Dec 15, 2016 12:22 pm


Originally Posted by DA201 (Post 27616549)
Part of the reason United does well on their Indian flights is because of the strong O&D from NY. ATL doesn't have this O&D, but DL could definitely get enough connecting passengers. DL could really put pressure on QR out of ATL if they started these flights. There isn't too much ATL traffic to secondary Indian/SE Asian cities, so BOM & DEL traffic is most likely supporting QR's flight. DTW is also a good city for Indian flights.

The bigger issue is that it's incredibly hard for DL or virtually any carrier to compete with the ME3 on price. The ME3 clearly don't care that much about money losing routes. And considering they pretty much fly nothing but 777, A380, A350 they just flood the market with cheap seats. And they have the super luxury suites for high rollers.

Instead of seeing DL chasing QR off ATL/DOH, you'd probably see QR offering $500 Y seats, $1.5K J and $3K F seats ATL/India

Chadg Dec 15, 2016 1:03 pm


Originally Posted by Widgets (Post 27614614)
Permanent daily service to TXL/ZRH/PRG from anywhere would be helpful.

JFK - ZRH is permanent, (almost) daily service. There are a few Tuesdays and Wednesdays this winter that Delta's not flying it.

pvn Dec 15, 2016 1:09 pm


Originally Posted by Widgets (Post 27614614)
Permanent daily service to TXL/ZRH/PRG from anywhere would be helpful.

Delta already announced permanent service to BER, didn't they? (presuming it ever opens)

Chadg Dec 15, 2016 1:12 pm


Originally Posted by pvn (Post 27617112)
Delta already announced permanent service to BER, didn't they? (presuming it ever opens)

They announced seasonal JFK - TXL which starts May 25.

SJC ORD LDR Dec 15, 2016 1:23 pm

I don't see XXX-AKL anytime soon. DL would offer no connections out of AKL to CHC, ZQN, or WLG or anywhere else in New Zealand. UA has NZ to go everywhere else out of AKL and AA had JQ to cover the biggest outstations in New Zealand.

kop84 Dec 15, 2016 2:27 pm

I'd be on board with the SEA-TPE/SIN someone else mentioned.

I could also see SEA-KUL/CKG/DPS/JKT with GA starting flights to the US in 2017 one of those could be a nice add for DL to take advantage of the GA onward connections.

pbarnette Dec 15, 2016 3:06 pm


Originally Posted by kop84 (Post 27617542)
I'd be on board with the SEA-TPE/SIN someone else mentioned.

I could also see SEA-KUL/CKG/DPS/JKT with GA starting flights to the US in 2017 one of those could be a nice add for DL to take advantage of the GA onward connections.

It will be a cold day in hell before DL serves DPS. I don't see KUL happening either, but it isn't outright crazy like DPS.


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