YBYL (you board, you lose) policy is now more flexible
Nov 15, 2017, 7:04 pm
#106
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Why did the FA move you to FC over an elite ahead of you on the list? That doesn't seem fair! If everyone else was already on board, then why did the FA chose you?
Nov 15, 2017, 7:28 pm
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Nov 15, 2017, 7:48 pm
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The big problem I have is that GAs rarely give out trustworthy information when you ask them whether there are no shows, or whether F boarded full. Whenever I ask, the GA generally looks at me with contempt, like a red-headed stepchild.
Recently, a GA assured me that F had boarded full, and then when I got on the plane, there were 4 empties in F. I hate being lied to.
Recently, a GA assured me that F had boarded full, and then when I got on the plane, there were 4 empties in F. I hate being lied to.
Nov 15, 2017, 7:52 pm
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The big problem I have is that GAs rarely give out trustworthy information when you ask them whether there are no shows, or whether F boarded full. Whenever I ask, the GA generally looks at me with contempt, like a red-headed stepchild.
Recently, a GA assured me that F had boarded full, and then when I got on the plane, there were 4 empties in F. I hate being lied to.
Recently, a GA assured me that F had boarded full, and then when I got on the plane, there were 4 empties in F. I hate being lied to.
I think some gate agents get the terms boarded full and checked in full confussed
Nov 15, 2017, 8:02 pm
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One time I did this and won a GUC seat to TXL. I rewarded the GA with a JWD cert to positively enforce the correct reaction in the future.
Nov 15, 2017, 8:12 pm
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Nov 15, 2017, 9:04 pm
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When I suspect this is happening, I tend to look at their computer screen behind the desk (hoping it is on the seating chart interface) and say "Look! Someone is not on board yet in first yet" They have no defense after that.
One time I did this and won a GUC seat to TXL. I rewarded the GA with a JWD cert to positively enforce the correct reaction in the future.
One time I did this and won a GUC seat to TXL. I rewarded the GA with a JWD cert to positively enforce the correct reaction in the future.
Nov 15, 2017, 10:32 pm
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It's DCA-LGA, often less than 45 minutes in the air. In many cases, once settled into a C+ seat, elites have no interest in moving forward and figuring out what to do with their carry-on bags for a flight that short. I've been on flights where the GA has gone about 10 deep into the upgrade list to find someone actually interested in moving up to F.
Nov 17, 2017, 12:11 am
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+1. I been lied to enough that I've just stopped asking. And I WFBF when necessary to just avoid the problem entirely. Sadly, probably the outcomes they're hoping for.
The big problem I have is that GAs rarely give out trustworthy information when you ask them whether there are no shows, or whether F boarded full. Whenever I ask, the GA generally looks at me with contempt, like a red-headed stepchild.
Recently, a GA assured me that F had boarded full, and then when I got on the plane, there were 4 empties in F. I hate being lied to.
Recently, a GA assured me that F had boarded full, and then when I got on the plane, there were 4 empties in F. I hate being lied to.
Jan 29, 2018, 6:36 am
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JFK-RDU this morning with me as #1 of 6 on the upgrade list.
I asked at the gate if first class had boarded full, this was when they were boarding Zone 2, and the agent said yes. When I got on the plane there were four empties in F which made me wish I'd stayed at the gate. One seat remained empty at the end of boarding. The gate agent came on and was surprised to see an open seat. She said the woman in 14A should be in 4D. The f/a went back and found there is no woman in 14A. The f/as paged the woman several times and she didn't answer. The gate agent had left the plane by this point but was still on the jet bridge and she and the flight attendant shouted back and forth about where the woman in 14A was. I overheard the gate agent give my name as next on the list but I wasn't pulled up. I got the attention of the flight attendant who said there was nothing she could do and the seat would go empty.
So now we're flying down to RDU with an empty F seat and an upgrade list of six back in Y. I'm writing to DL about this for all the good it'll do.
I asked at the gate if first class had boarded full, this was when they were boarding Zone 2, and the agent said yes. When I got on the plane there were four empties in F which made me wish I'd stayed at the gate. One seat remained empty at the end of boarding. The gate agent came on and was surprised to see an open seat. She said the woman in 14A should be in 4D. The f/a went back and found there is no woman in 14A. The f/as paged the woman several times and she didn't answer. The gate agent had left the plane by this point but was still on the jet bridge and she and the flight attendant shouted back and forth about where the woman in 14A was. I overheard the gate agent give my name as next on the list but I wasn't pulled up. I got the attention of the flight attendant who said there was nothing she could do and the seat would go empty.
So now we're flying down to RDU with an empty F seat and an upgrade list of six back in Y. I'm writing to DL about this for all the good it'll do.
Jan 29, 2018, 7:42 am
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JFK-RDU this morning with me as #1 of 6 on the upgrade list.
I asked at the gate if first class had boarded full, this was when they were boarding Zone 2, and the agent said yes. When I got on the plane there were four empties in F which made me wish I'd stayed at the gate. One seat remained empty at the end of boarding. The gate agent came on and was surprised to see an open seat. She said the woman in 14A should be in 4D. The f/a went back and found there is no woman in 14A. The f/as paged the woman several times and she didn't answer. The gate agent had left the plane by this point but was still on the jet bridge and she and the flight attendant shouted back and forth about where the woman in 14A was. I overheard the gate agent give my name as next on the list but I wasn't pulled up. I got the attention of the flight attendant who said there was nothing she could do and the seat would go empty.
So now we're flying down to RDU with an empty F seat and an upgrade list of six back in Y. I'm writing to DL about this for all the good it'll do.
I asked at the gate if first class had boarded full, this was when they were boarding Zone 2, and the agent said yes. When I got on the plane there were four empties in F which made me wish I'd stayed at the gate. One seat remained empty at the end of boarding. The gate agent came on and was surprised to see an open seat. She said the woman in 14A should be in 4D. The f/a went back and found there is no woman in 14A. The f/as paged the woman several times and she didn't answer. The gate agent had left the plane by this point but was still on the jet bridge and she and the flight attendant shouted back and forth about where the woman in 14A was. I overheard the gate agent give my name as next on the list but I wasn't pulled up. I got the attention of the flight attendant who said there was nothing she could do and the seat would go empty.
So now we're flying down to RDU with an empty F seat and an upgrade list of six back in Y. I'm writing to DL about this for all the good it'll do.
Delta does not care this year about this old sorta attempt to do the right thing!
Jan 29, 2018, 9:01 am
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I can't believe that, as a DL FO, you were #1 of 6 from JFK>RDU. That's amazing!
Jan 29, 2018, 11:31 am
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Saw an onboard upgrade at LAX the other day (LAX-MSY). There was one no-show in F and the GA came onboard and brought up someone from C+. Great to see it happen rather than the seat go empty. ^
Jan 29, 2018, 12:56 pm
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I thought she was going to bring up the F misconnect from the previous flight.