PC Timetable???
May 13, 2015 | 1:48 pm
#16
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: DTW
Programs: DL - PM, (NW - Plat), AA - Gold, Marriott - Plat, Avis - First
Posts: 978
The "enhanced" desktop timetable is an absolute flaming, stinky, smell piece of garbage. That tool is completely worthless now. Who flippin' cares about a stupid map?
I want to be able to quickly pull up all flights and see all relevant information in a simple display, like the old desktop timetable.
Now, the display of flights is tiny, it doesn't display most connections, equipment types is buried and only viewable if I drill-down into specific flights, and the search function is very clunky.
This is a worthless travel tool now. The old desktop timetable was excellent for doing quick searches. I could search for flights OFFLINE quickly, plug in different cities very quickly, easily see the equipment type (to avoid CRJs), build connections.
Vital for planning trips, vital for proactive IRROPS planning, checking other flight options.
Plus now all flights show in 24 hour/military time, fine, ok I can do the conversion in my head, but its just stupid.
Now I get a stupid map...wooo.
Bring back the old program.
I want to be able to quickly pull up all flights and see all relevant information in a simple display, like the old desktop timetable.
Now, the display of flights is tiny, it doesn't display most connections, equipment types is buried and only viewable if I drill-down into specific flights, and the search function is very clunky.
This is a worthless travel tool now. The old desktop timetable was excellent for doing quick searches. I could search for flights OFFLINE quickly, plug in different cities very quickly, easily see the equipment type (to avoid CRJs), build connections.
Vital for planning trips, vital for proactive IRROPS planning, checking other flight options.
Plus now all flights show in 24 hour/military time, fine, ok I can do the conversion in my head, but its just stupid.
Now I get a stupid map...wooo.
Bring back the old program.
May 13, 2015 | 2:16 pm
#18
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 102,617
I still miss the old fashioned appropriate technology small pamphlet timetables that PMNW printed and distributed at airports. Among other things, it included distance (in miles) as well as equipment type in every one-line entry. Now when booking on line, it's hard to verify and compare the MQMs that will be earned for various routings.
Since something like this is now considered too expensive and too hard to keep up to date (which wasn't a problem with PMNW IME), EF was the best substitute, but of course that is gone too now.
Since something like this is now considered too expensive and too hard to keep up to date (which wasn't a problem with PMNW IME), EF was the best substitute, but of course that is gone too now.
May 13, 2015 | 2:33 pm
#19
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ireland, UnderH20, AUA, Brooklyn
Programs: Delta Charter KM, DM180, RW, DM, SC, SkyBonus; HH Diamond, IHG Plt Amb, Global Ent, TWIC
Posts: 2,191
Enhancement costs
Smart map as opposed to stupid $29
Working app $29
Notice that there is a OS/X app $29
Shows all connections $29
Upcoming enhancements:
Notice of on time departure $29
Notice of delay after boarding $29
Notice of delay before boarding $29
On time departure $59
Early departure $109
Late departure $39
Cancelled flight $29
Cancelled flight - no notice $59
Cancelled flight which goes anyway $59
Comfort+ more than buying upgrade $109
Pre-departure safety announcement $19
Interrupt movie for SkyMiles notice $39
Personalized boarding thank you $49
Just fly me there option $79
Did I miss any?
Smart map as opposed to stupid $29
Working app $29
Notice that there is a OS/X app $29
Shows all connections $29
Upcoming enhancements:
Notice of on time departure $29
Notice of delay after boarding $29
Notice of delay before boarding $29
On time departure $59
Early departure $109
Late departure $39
Cancelled flight $29
Cancelled flight - no notice $59
Cancelled flight which goes anyway $59
Comfort+ more than buying upgrade $109
Pre-departure safety announcement $19
Interrupt movie for SkyMiles notice $39
Personalized boarding thank you $49
Just fly me there option $79
Did I miss any?
May 13, 2015 | 2:39 pm
#20
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: MSP
Programs: DL PM, MM, NR; HH Diamond, Bonvoy LT Gold, Hyatt Explorist, IHG Diamond, others
Posts: 12,163
It's easier for lazy and incompetent programmers to assume that rather than to optimize for reality.
May 13, 2015 | 2:39 pm
#21
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: MSP
Programs: DL PM, MM, NR; HH Diamond, Bonvoy LT Gold, Hyatt Explorist, IHG Diamond, others
Posts: 12,163
Let's all bookmark this post so we can refer back to it when this change actually happens.
"Passengers traveling in the premium cabin and Diamond Medallions will receive a courtesy notification 24 hours in advance with the then estimated time of departure for their flight. (All flight times are subject to change until departure.) Other passengers may purchase a courtesy notification for $29 each, per passenger."
"Passengers traveling in the premium cabin and Diamond Medallions will receive a courtesy notification 24 hours in advance with the then estimated time of departure for their flight. (All flight times are subject to change until departure.) Other passengers may purchase a courtesy notification for $29 each, per passenger."
They'll offer it to Platinums for $9, and Gold for $19. Only FO and non-medallions will have to pay $29.
May 13, 2015 | 2:40 pm
#22
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Under an ORD approach path
Programs: DL PM, MM. Coffee isn't a drug, it's a vitamin.
Posts: 12,935
I used the contact link from the app to tell the developer to look at the old skyteam travel desk, and that they needed to scrap their app and build one from scratch that does just what the old app did. I told them their app has a pretty face but that is all it has. I expect my e-mail will be blackholed. Is there an appropriate person at DL that a number of us could write? Perhaps if they get ten e-mails they might give it 5 minutes of their attention.
May 13, 2015 | 2:44 pm
#23
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 102,617
Enhancement costs
Smart map as opposed to stupid $29
Working app $29
Notice that there is a OS/X app $29
Shows all connections $29
Upcoming enhancements:
Notice of on time departure $29
Notice of delay after boarding $29
Notice of delay before boarding $29
On time departure $59
Early departure $109
Late departure $39
Cancelled flight $29
Cancelled flight - no notice $59
Cancelled flight which goes anyway $59
Comfort+ more than buying upgrade $109
Pre-departure safety announcement $19
Interrupt movie for SkyMiles notice $39
Personalized boarding thank you $49
Just fly me there option $79
Did I miss any?
Smart map as opposed to stupid $29
Working app $29
Notice that there is a OS/X app $29
Shows all connections $29
Upcoming enhancements:
Notice of on time departure $29
Notice of delay after boarding $29
Notice of delay before boarding $29
On time departure $59
Early departure $109
Late departure $39
Cancelled flight $29
Cancelled flight - no notice $59
Cancelled flight which goes anyway $59
Comfort+ more than buying upgrade $109
Pre-departure safety announcement $19
Interrupt movie for SkyMiles notice $39
Personalized boarding thank you $49
Just fly me there option $79
Did I miss any?
Pleasant GA $29
Pleasant and efficient GA $129, with 50% discount for DM/PM
Pleasant FA $29, $39 for flights over 900 miles, $49 for flights over 1500 miles, $89 for longhaul international flights
Efficient FA........
Pleasant and efficient FA.......free in C+ and FC/D1/BE.
May 13, 2015 | 2:47 pm
#24
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ireland, UnderH20, AUA, Brooklyn
Programs: Delta Charter KM, DM180, RW, DM, SC, SkyBonus; HH Diamond, IHG Plt Amb, Global Ent, TWIC
Posts: 2,191
I used the contact link from the app to tell the developer to look at the old skyteam travel desk, and that they needed to scrap their app and build one from scratch that does just what the old app did. I told them their app has a pretty face but that is all it has. I expect my e-mail will be blackholed. Is there an appropriate person at DL that a number of us could write? Perhaps if they get ten e-mails they might give it 5 minutes of their attention.
May 13, 2015 | 3:09 pm
#25
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2008
Programs: Lifetime Hilton Diamond, Lifetime Marriott Titanium, "Lifetime" DL DM (subject to DL CEO whims)
Posts: 12,801
I still miss the old fashioned appropriate technology small pamphlet timetables that PMNW printed and distributed at airports. Among other things, it included distance (in miles) as well as equipment type in every one-line entry. Now when booking on line, it's hard to verify and compare the MQMs that will be earned for various routings.
Since something like this is now considered too expensive and too hard to keep up to date (which wasn't a problem with PMNW IME), EF was the best substitute, but of course that is gone too now.
Since something like this is now considered too expensive and too hard to keep up to date (which wasn't a problem with PMNW IME), EF was the best substitute, but of course that is gone too now.
DL used to provide these in a holder on the FC bulkhead.
Originally, they showed connecting itineraries from A to C.
Then they decided they could cut the size of the booklet by only showing single hops, so the user had to manually search combinations of A to B followed by B to C.
Then they did away with them altogether.
I believe that I still have a few of these, but they might be out-of-date.
May 13, 2015 | 7:59 pm
#26
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 102,617
The PMNW ones had a different colored glossy travel photo on the cover every month, often to celebrate new NW destinations.
May 14, 2015 | 5:03 am
#27
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Runway 22 @ KROC
Posts: 706
I still miss the old fashioned appropriate technology small pamphlet timetables that PMNW printed and distributed at airports. Among other things, it included distance (in miles) as well as equipment type in every one-line entry. Now when booking on line, it's hard to verify and compare the MQMs that will be earned for various routings.
Since something like this is now considered too expensive and too hard to keep up to date (which wasn't a problem with PMNW IME), EF was the best substitute, but of course that is gone too now.
Since something like this is now considered too expensive and too hard to keep up to date (which wasn't a problem with PMNW IME), EF was the best substitute, but of course that is gone too now.
May 14, 2015 | 5:43 am
#28
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: DTW/FNT
Programs: Delta (nee NW), Hilton Diamond. IHG (PT)
Posts: 4,823
I used to keep one on my desk, and if I couldn't find a direct flight out of DTW it was easy to look one up out of MEM or MSP, then figure out which flight I would take first (and last)
Bob H
Bob H