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PRWeezer Sep 6, 2014 9:37 pm


Originally Posted by pbarnette (Post 23486494)
In what were they investing?...<snip>

Est. 19,000 DL FAs x monthly AFA dues payments.

Only NWAFA can speak to amount of said payment, as well as what monthly dues covered that is lacking in today's FA payment structure (minus those extra dollars/millions toward the DL-specific union fight).

pbarnette Sep 6, 2014 9:46 pm


Originally Posted by PRWeezer (Post 23486553)
Est. 19,000 DL FAs x monthly AFA dues payments.

Only NWAFA can speak to amount of said payment, as well as what monthly dues covered that is lacking in today's FA payment structure (minus those extra dollars/millions toward the DL-specific union fight).

To be fair, we would think that there are other FAs that would be as qualified (perhaps more so, given that they might be currently employed) to comment on the cost and benefit of the union "investment". I'm not sure how we should interpret the fact that other FAs haven't seen fit to post complaints about DL's union-free status (or, to be fair, praise for DL's union-free status), but it isn't true that NWAFA is the only qualified commentator and he/she may not be particularly qualified given that they are retired.

kettle1 Sep 6, 2014 9:54 pm

As of 2013 - DL has paid $1.7B dollars (or more) to employes with profit sharing alone and raises of 8-15%. Their pay is the same or higher than AA/US or UA - depending on the job. (Former) NW employes are making more than they did with the Union (FA's and ground staff) when they worked for NW. For some a lot more.

I spoke to one Station Manager at NW right after the merge with DL. He stated - they had one Union Rep at the ticket counter sit in a room to handle problems with NW employee VS NWA management (DL) - on NW's (DL's) dime. Nothing to do with customers.

When waiting in a long line at the ticket counter - remember there is someone in the back looking out for the employee - not the customer. FACT! And this was not in a large station. Since the removal of the the Union that person is now working to help DL customers front-line.

Again, if you want to join a Union. I do not care. Get me from A-B on-time and I am happy. The Union worked very well for many airlines, including Pan Am and Eastern. :rolleyes:

I own a company and it is non-Union. Unions were great 50 years ago. It is 2014 and if the FA's at DL think they are being mistreated - take a job at SkyWest or the "new UA".

As I stated above - It takes a pilot years to be able to fly for DL or any other carrier and a ton of money or military training on Uncle Sam's dime. It takes a FA 5-6 weeks of training and a GED. ESPN say's - COME ON MAN!

Big difference!

DL2SXM Sep 7, 2014 8:30 am


Originally Posted by readywhenyouare (Post 23486384)
You are far more optimistic than I am. I wouldn't trust a union member as far as I could throw them. They have no regard for their fellow coworkers. They don't understand that their being selfish and calling a strike could lead to financial devistation and the loss of jobs for everyone else involved. Not to mention they couldn't care less about the customer and the effects of not getting people where they need to be.

Your right, unions cant be trusted. they will go for the jugular and then when travel goes through a serious decline like it did in years past, they will pay the consequences. So, give them the kitchen sink and lets see what happens in 10 years time. unions need to be more responsible.

GRALISTAIR Sep 7, 2014 9:57 am


Originally Posted by pbarnette (Post 23486460)
My company gives bonuses and stock grants to all employees. We give the largest bonuses and stock grants to those employees with the most skills and most demand for their skills. I struggle to see why the airline industry would be different.

^ Yes, I struggle too- it is so basic.


Originally Posted by kettle1 (Post 23486582)
As of 2013 - DL has paid $1.7B dollars (or more) to employes with profit sharing alone and raises of 8-15%. Their pay is the same or higher than AA/US or UA - depending on the job. (Former) NW employes are making more than they did with the Union (FA's and ground staff) when they worked for NW. For some a lot more.

When waiting in a long line at the ticket counter - remember there is someone in the back looking out for the employee - not the customer. FACT! And this was not in a large station. Since the removal of the the Union that person is now working to help DL customers front-line. ^^^

Unions were great 50 years ago. It is 2014 and if the FA's at DL think they are being mistreated - take a job at SkyWest or the "new UA".

Exactly


Originally Posted by DL2SXM (Post 23488009)
Your right, unions cant be trusted. they will go for the jugular and then when travel goes through a serious decline like it did in years past, they will pay the consequences. So, give them the kitchen sink and lets see what happens in 10 years time. Unions need to be more responsible.

^


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