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kettle1 Sep 5, 2014 8:32 pm


Originally Posted by zsmith2 (Post 23482222)
Uniforms are a good 2-3 years away. As far as the other stuff NWAFA spits out is just more of the sky is falling propaganda.

Is the OP (NWAFA) a Pro-Union person? Possibly a rep?

I've flown many years and have had great/good/bad service on NW and DL. I do not see what a Union would do to improve my flt on DL? I see what the Union / Management is doing at UA and soon to come AA / US. It's not good.

DL has been Non-Union for 70+ years (except pilots and a few others), and has been great for me.

Hell, I'll take a 7-8% profit sharing check. Under a Union contract, would you receive that? I don't think so unless written into the contract. I read DL also gave raises recently.

Just get me from A-B with decent service, a smile and on-time.

If you think DL is a crap company - apply at the "new UA".

I now fly DL LAS-SLC-SFO to avoid UA. Or, LAS-SFO on WN.

As for things getting bumpy. I think most FA's are happy, unless it is a fake smile and greeting. I don't hear all the "DL hate" coming from behind the curtain, and yes we can hear it. Lately it seems to be "DL just started XXX-YYY, I going to bid on that or I'm going with the kid's to MCO or OGG next week.

And if this Union talk is going to start again - please don't put me though it again at 35,000 feet in a tube of metal, .....ing behind the curtain . I paid for my seat and can I have another G&T with lime. Thank you. :)

NWAFA Sep 5, 2014 11:17 pm

Who said the FAs are going to unionize? It's the Pilots who are starting their Section 6 openers. They want their increases.

All I was saying is that it hasn't gone unnoticed how well the Pilots are treated vs the non-union employees. "Thank you, here are your headphones."

The employees are professionals. ALL of the employees. Because it's not like UA, means the employees are doing their jobs and keeping it professional. It doesn't mean the group is totally happy behind the scenes.

NWA FA

kettle1 Sep 6, 2014 1:38 am


Originally Posted by NWAFA (Post 23482747)
Who said the FAs are going to unionize? It's the Pilots who are starting their Section 6 openers. They want their increases.

All I was saying is that it hasn't gone unnoticed how well the Pilots are treated vs the non-union employees. "Thank you, here are your headphones."

The employees are professionals. ALL of the employees. Because it's not like UA, means the employees are doing their jobs and keeping it professional. It doesn't mean the group is totally happy behind the scenes.

NWA FA

WOW, WOW, WOW. I am shocked.

Not defending pilots or any other workers. How much training does it take to qualify to be a FA???? I think it is 4-5 weeks in the USA with a GED. Fact!

What does it take to become a pilot? I guess a little more.

Give those headphones to your grandson to sell on eBay, it's a win-win = learn business. Perhaps you could put that 8% profit sharing check DL gave out to good use.
Under Union rules - you would not receive a profit sharing check (if DL was Union).

Are you saying the pilots are treated better because they are Union members? How about training, degrees, knowledge, hours in the air, Military background, etc.

Big difference than can I have a lime with my drink.


All I was saying is that it hasn't gone unnoticed how well the Pilots are treated vs the non-union employees. "Thank you, here are your headphones."
Sounds like someone has been sitting in a Union hall. Just saying'. Give back the profit sharing check and headphones - than get 50% of the FA's together and vote for Union.

I will be in 2B - refill please. :)

rwoman Sep 6, 2014 1:55 am


Originally Posted by FederalFlyer (Post 23482144)
Are you suggesting DL FAs can't have 'issues' and still provide a good level of service?

Of course they can. That said, based on the OP...they seemed to suggest pilots are treated better because they're union

hazelrah Sep 6, 2014 6:22 am


Originally Posted by rwoman (Post 23483032)
Of course they can. That said, based on the OP...they seemed to suggest pilots are treated better because they're union

Prosperous times at Delta; I predict the pilots will get their industry leading contract next go round.

hazelrah Sep 6, 2014 6:25 am


Originally Posted by NWAFA (Post 23481148)
The Pilot's union is getting ready to improve their industry leading contract. They'll be sending out surveys to members for their Section 6 openers.

FAs? A pair of Delta headsets, a thank you for the successful summer. Not setting well with the family members. Oh, and all employees at Delta are getting new uniforms.

NWA FA

Actually, If I recall correctly, the Delta pilots wanted but did not get an industry leading contract last negotiation.

Justin026 Sep 6, 2014 7:06 am

Not sure of the timing of this thread, but an International Association of Machinists organizing billboard, aimed at flight attendants, is currently up on Camp Creek Parkway on the route employee buses take into ATL.

bubbashow Sep 6, 2014 7:41 am


Originally Posted by kettle1 (Post 23482371)
Is the OP (NWAFA) a Pro-Union person?

Most former NW FA's are.

I doubt it is going to get bumpy at all. Nearly all of the PMDL FAs are happy. Some of the PMNW FAs are happy. The old union line is retiring or being eliminated. They won't be getting that profit sharing if they go union. They won't go union. Just crappery and propaganda....jaded warnings of "bumpiness" from the fringe.

cerealmarketer Sep 6, 2014 7:43 am

No surprise this nonsense gets posted by someone who still clings to the handle 'NWA' FA. You're a DL FA.

pbarnette Sep 6, 2014 7:52 am


Originally Posted by cerealmarketer (Post 23483731)
No surprise this nonsense gets posted by someone who still clings to the handle 'NWA' FA. You're a DL FA.

I believe she is actually retired.

That being said, NWAFA shows up here on occasion to remind everyone how bad the FAs have it and agitate for a union. It seems an odd venue for it, but whatever floats her boat.

Grouchy Sep 6, 2014 8:14 am

OT: Believe NWAFA is actually a he

Regarding his name. Everyone can see to the left under his nick that:
Join Date: Jun 2006...that's long before NWA and DAL merged

tvnwz Sep 6, 2014 11:58 am

We love to beat up on the OPs! Point is valid. It "appears" that the pilots have it better, and get better terms from the airline, because of their union representation. And with the reopener it could get even better.

All those stepping on the OP, are you saying if the pilots did NOT have a union they would have exactly what they have now or better? If the pilots do have it better, then why would any group not think about it.

And I could care less one way or the other.

pbarnette Sep 6, 2014 12:21 pm


Originally Posted by tvnwz (Post 23484717)
All those stepping on the OP, are you saying if the pilots did NOT have a union they would have exactly what they have now or better? If the pilots do have it better, then why would any group not think about it.

I suspect the pilots would have it about the same. The supply of pilots is very constrained (some would argue artificially) and competition for that limited supply is the likely cause of their high wages. Low supply and high barriers to entry = high wages.

For other employees, including FAs, there are few constraints on supply and the requirements for entry are very low (e.g. HS diploma or GED and no skills that require specialized training beyond some advantages for foreign language speakers). Large supply of workers and low barriers to entry = low wages.

GRALISTAIR Sep 6, 2014 2:31 pm


Originally Posted by kettle1 (Post 23481970)
+1
Any photos of the new uniforms? Perhaps the mini skirts from the 1960's? ;););)

+1 ^

bubbashow Sep 6, 2014 2:50 pm


Originally Posted by pbarnette (Post 23483770)
I believe she is actually retired.

That being said, NWAFA shows up here on occasion to remind everyone how bad the FAs have it and agitate for a union. It seems an odd venue for it, but whatever floats her boat.

I think the group is running out of people who will listen to the rhetoric seriously...maybe this is all that is left. Those profit sharing bonuses are pretty strong evidence towards another way being ok. Why were those left out of the OP's argument? An $8 set of headsets was included, but the profit sharing bonuses weren't? hmmmm...


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