ExpertFlyer now showing Delta certificate upgrade availability?
Mar 26, 2014, 3:08 pm
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Mar 27, 2014, 9:18 pm
#48
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Mar 27, 2014, 9:36 pm
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Is there any evidence that R and RP or O and OP inventory are different? I understand the need to show different fare classes as class flown for mileage credit purposes, but are these really different? If not, then one can see upgrade inventory by searching for (low?) award tickets.
Mar 28, 2014, 6:01 am
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Not sure... I've had several segments clear into OP recently where I never received an EF alert for O and never saw inventory when I did a search for O. Its possible the DL system grabbed it quickly when there was space, unlike in the past when there was some kind of 'sweep' delay when inventory opened and it cleared upgrades.
Mar 28, 2014, 6:27 am
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Data point: I briefly restored my EF subscription for other purposes, but it happily coincided with this DL info becoming available again. Recent searches on EF for O on SFO-JFK over a holiday weekend yielded results that matched SWU inventory when I called DL to book the trip. ^
Mar 28, 2014, 7:27 am
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Is there any evidence that R and RP or O and OP inventory are different? I understand the need to show different fare classes as class flown for mileage credit purposes, but are these really different? If not, then one can see upgrade inventory by searching for (low?) award tickets.
Mar 28, 2014, 11:01 am
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Well not a subset - different inventory classes. But in terms of fare bucket ordering, R/O falls below RP/OP. There are certain cases where they can bucket together and share inventory but this typically doesn't happen.
Mar 28, 2014, 11:21 am
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Many times, an airlines internal and external representations of classes are different. Internally, R/O are award classes, however outside of their host system R/O, which had not been previously viewable, are published as mirrors of RP/OP. This is why the published R/O do not match the First/Business award inventory on the DL website.
Mar 28, 2014, 1:18 pm
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R/O to our knowledge is the external representation of RP/OP, not a subset and not different from RP/OP. This mirroring is done so travel agents can search/book upgrades as most GDSs only support single letter fare class codes. This is also stated on the DL website under both Global and Regional certificates terms: http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...tificates.html
Many times, an airlines internal and external representations of classes are different. Internally, R/O are award classes, however outside of their host system R/O, which had not been previously viewable, are published as mirrors of RP/OP. This is why the published R/O do not match the First/Business award inventory on the DL website.
Many times, an airlines internal and external representations of classes are different. Internally, R/O are award classes, however outside of their host system R/O, which had not been previously viewable, are published as mirrors of RP/OP. This is why the published R/O do not match the First/Business award inventory on the DL website.
Thanks for the clarification on the GDS portion.
Mar 28, 2014, 2:11 pm
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Correct - R/O are fare classes that can be seen through GDS and travel agent booking tools. But in reality R/O and RP/OP are still separate classes. Your receipt will show the actual class of service and is also what DL reservations still sees internally. As you said, R/O = 5 does not mean 5 Saver awards available. It could be R/O=0 and RP/OP=5.
Thanks for the clarification on the GDS portion.
Thanks for the clarification on the GDS portion.
Mar 29, 2014, 10:43 am
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Cool, I was pleasantly surprised that I received an email from EF on this. Probably because when I cancelled I listed this as the key issue.
Definitely makes EF more valuable to me, and will likely re-signup.
Now, if they can just show that P = NP :-)
Definitely makes EF more valuable to me, and will likely re-signup.
Now, if they can just show that P = NP :-)
Mar 31, 2014, 1:39 pm
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Is it gone already?
This morning a couple of searches on EF showed error messages when looking for O and R. Is it possible that it has already been yanked by Delta and the few days that we had it were enough to convince them that it was for their purposes correct the first time in not showing it.