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NotHamSarnie Dec 7, 2013 11:10 am

NRSA vs NRSP: how does it work?
 
I would put this on the Shena thread but I don't know that it's actually Shena and honestly I'm just curious about how this works rather than alleging any wrongdoing.

I traveled SFO-ATL this week as a DM with a SWU and the SWU cleared well in advance so I knew I was in BE. At the gate, the UG list was 67 PAX long, with 4 unclaimed BE seats. Before boarding (at T-30m), the GA made the announcement for the top 4 on the list (by name) to refrain from boarding for a possible UG (at least here the policy was clear), so I guess they did. I don't know how many cleared. I boarded with BE (at T-30) and just after I boarded, someone sat next to me. Clearly someone who had not stayed back at the gate and likely already had a BE pass. Her BP said NRSP, CO Business, so she was clearly a DL employee on DL business, but non-rev. How does this work? Does someone like this have first jab at the unclaimed or unsold BE seats before the UG list is processed, whereas the NRSAs have access only if the UG list clears and there are still seats (barring any Shena here, of course)?

It was interesting sitting next to her as she was either a lawyer for DL or a high-level exec checking in on SFO where a lawsuit was filed against DL for some kind of shenanigans or incompetence (it's sometimes hard to distinguish) with overtime/benefits for non-DL contract employees at SFO. She was reading a court transcript during the flight and also made calls on the ground where I gleaned some of the details (she was on her way back to Virginia Ave). Yes I know it's impolite to read over people's shoulders and I did mostly avert my eyes but people really should have no expectation of privacy on a plane in such close quarters.

MSPeconomist Dec 7, 2013 11:17 am

NRSP means positive space; the person is not flying standby like NRSA. They have a confirmed seat on the flight.

High level employees have the right to fly in FC/BE for business travel, just like in many other companies.

NotHamSarnie Dec 7, 2013 11:36 am

Yes, but when does the space have to be "positive"? Is it at booking time, regardless of when that is, or at T-24h, at the gate etc...?

itsaboutthejourney Dec 7, 2013 11:39 am


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 21921547)
NRSP means positive space; the person is not flying standby like NRSA. They have a confirmed seat on the flight.

High level employees have the right to fly in FC/BE for business travel, just like in many other companies.

You should start a wikipost to share your obsessive and amazing knowledge of NRSA and NRSP travel. ^

PRWeezer Dec 7, 2013 11:42 am


Originally Posted by itsaboutthejourney (Post 21921700)
You should start a wikipost to share your obsessive and amazing knowledge of NRSA and NRSP travel. ^

First, a correction for the wiki...NRPS. :p

Vuelos Dec 7, 2013 11:43 am


Originally Posted by PRWeezer (Post 21921715)
First, a correction for the wiki...NRPS. :p

Non Revenue Pilot Space?

NotHamSarnie Dec 7, 2013 11:44 am


Originally Posted by PRWeezer (Post 21921715)
First, a correction for the wiki...NRPS. :p

Aha! that's why my search didn't turn up anything. I apologize for the dyslexic moment as I glanced at her BP.

PRWeezer Dec 7, 2013 11:45 am


Originally Posted by Vuelos (Post 21921718)
Non Revenue Pilot Space?

No, that's a BP for 1P.

Vuelos Dec 7, 2013 11:47 am


Originally Posted by NotHamSarnie (Post 21921723)
Aha! that's why my search didn't turn up anything. I apologize for the dyslexic moment as I glanced at her BP.

It's ok misinformation is normal here on FT too:


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 21921547)
NRSP means positive space; the person is not flying standby like NRSA. They have a confirmed seat on the flight.

High level employees have the right to fly in FC/BE for business travel, just like in many other companies.


itsaboutthejourney Dec 7, 2013 11:56 am


Originally Posted by Vuelos (Post 21921735)
It's ok misinformation is normal here on FT too:

You don't post enough to be an NRSA expert ;)

Vuelos Dec 7, 2013 12:00 pm


Originally Posted by itsaboutthejourney (Post 21921787)
You don't post enough to be an NRSA expert ;)

^^^^^^

Mon Dieu! I will let MERe respond

tkey75 Dec 7, 2013 12:21 pm

Even MERe shells out real cash for flights sometimes.

Here's an NRPS scenario: Pilot needs to get to a destination for work related activities. Not just the usual commuting to work, as the onus is on the pilot to be where he needs to be just like you and me, but some sort of IRROPS situation. S/he will travel NRPS. If that means displacing a pax, that's what happens.

Throw Down Your Leavy Screens Dec 7, 2013 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by tkey75 (Post 21921911)
Even MERe shells out real cash for flights sometimes.

Here's an NRPS scenario: Pilot needs to get to a destination for work related activities. Not just the usual commuting to work, as the onus is on the pilot to be where he needs to be just like you and me, but some sort of IRROPS situation. S/he will travel NRPS. If that means displacing a pax, that's what happens.

I'm not sure what you mean.

Let's say that a DL pilot is based in ATL but lives in CLT. He/she is rated on the 757 and 767 but not the A320 family or the MD/DC9 family. That means that he cannot fly CLT-ATL as the pilot (since DL does not serve CLT with 757's or 767's for regular revenue operations -- they do as charters for the Panthers, Bobcats, etc., however). How does that pilot get to ATL to begin his/her shift, assuming that a 4-hour drive to Hartsfield is out of the question? Does that pilot fly NRPS, or something else?

tkey75 Dec 7, 2013 12:53 pm

Here's a more straightforward practical example. A pilot gets sick in an outstation with no local replacement. His replacement is flown in with NRPS status.

readywhenyouare Dec 7, 2013 12:59 pm


Originally Posted by ThrowDownYourLeavyScreens (Post 21922021)
I'm not sure what you mean.

Let's say that a DL pilot is based in ATL but lives in CLT. He/she is rated on the 757 and 767 but not the A320 family or the MD/DC9 family. That means that he cannot fly CLT-ATL as the pilot (since DL does not serve CLT with 757's or 767's for regular revenue operations -- they do as charters for the Panthers, Bobcats, etc., however). How does that pilot get to ATL to begin his/her shift, assuming that a 4-hour drive to Hartsfield is out of the question? Does that pilot fly NRPS, or something else?

I don't know much about NRSA/NRSP but I do know that a pilot would not start a trip at an outstation. A pilot only starts a trip out of his/her base so they wouldn't be flying the aircraft CLT-ATL regardless if they are rated on the aircraft. A DL pilot only starts a trip out of ATL, CVG, NYC (JFK,LGA,EWR), SLC, DTW, MSP, LAX, SEA. The only time I would think they would start a trip out of base would be for charter or reposition flights.


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