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HDQDD Dec 7, 2013 4:47 pm


Originally Posted by Pharaoh (Post 21922901)
Doesn't even need to be an employee for NRPS. For a number of years I sold a heck of a lot of air tickets for an airline (not DL) and was rewarded with NRPS flights once or twice a year. Business class. The only booking restriction was that the booking could only be made within 30 days of travel. Other than that the T&Cs were that of a full fare J.

True. When I was in an agent in college I had the son of another airline CEO come to my gate (before BP's were required to get thru security). He had an ID from that airline that showed him as such, and someone had already booked his reservation. To my surprise, Airline CEOs and their families are also given PS on other airlines (I assume there's reciprocity). In this case their priority was lower than many other PS codes. I suspect that's a benefit that's rarely used (why not fly your own airline), but in this case, we offered the only N/S to where he was going.

Often times if a flight isn't full, the agent won't even know they have PS pax onboard. Like a rev reservation, they can reserve a seat at booking and check in at a kiosk or online.

PS and Revenue are similar in that they are "Confirmed" reservations. I guess the big difference is that PS are free, whereas revenue (by definition) are not.

Medeski Dec 7, 2013 5:19 pm


Originally Posted by SamOF (Post 21922388)
That makes sense—presumably the employees could even standby on DL or UA if the AA flights are full.

Completely depends on the agreements between various airlines but in general terms most mainline employees can only fly on their specific carrier (ie Delta can only fly on Delta or a Delta connection) whereas connection carriers can fly on other airlines if they work on them (ie out station where where the connection employees handle multiple airlines at their airport).

davetravels Dec 7, 2013 5:32 pm


Originally Posted by NotHamSarnie (Post 21922179)
Presumably Positive Space means seats exist on the flight, right? Somebody wouldn't be bumped to accommodate them but they would go ahead of anybody on Standby. How is it decided whether it is Positive Space in F/BE or Y?


Originally Posted by HDQDD (Post 21922342)
So yes, they would take VDB/IDB's to accommodate a dead-heading crew (to save another flight).

I was scheduled to fly recently, JFK/MSP on a CR9. As far as I knew, the flight wasn't overbooked, as ExpertFlyer was showing Y3. Speaking as a VDB voucherhound, I simply asked the RedCoat if the MSP flight was overbooked, not expecting it to be. She said - OH YEAH!!! I said - Really? It still shows Y3 for availability! She said she knew - but they just put 7 NRPS FAs on the flight at the very last minute that HAD TO GET TO MSP to work a flight!

I took a $400 VDB, but others weren't so lucky. 2 Korean businessmen were IDB'd going to a meeting in MSP, then to ICN the next day - and were VERY upset. They were traveling on some sort of really cheapo tix, as they were only given about $40 (yes - forty dollars). I saw her physically write them checks on the spot! They were then limoed over to LGA for a flight to MSP.

FlyingUnderTheRadar Dec 7, 2013 5:49 pm


Originally Posted by motytrah (Post 21922354)
Most airlines won't let you commute from any old station though. It needs to be realistic. For example there's a contingent of AA folks ex MSP because it's considered an extension base for ORD because of the short flight duration and high frequency.

A cousin lived in SanDiego and was based out of Newark. Pretty hard to get a longer commute.

TPJ Dec 7, 2013 6:31 pm


Originally Posted by HDQDD (Post 21922996)
PS and Revenue are similar in that they are "Confirmed" reservations.

I somehow recall (from times when I was Medallion a few years back) that NRPS had P/ in front of the name (in Deltamatic PNR). NRSA had S/. It was clearly visible for GA who was revenue pax and who was NRPS or NRSA.

Gargoyle Dec 7, 2013 7:03 pm


Originally Posted by PRWeezer (Post 21921715)
First, a correction for the wiki...NRPS. :p

I thought it was NSFW

Starblazer Dec 7, 2013 9:20 pm


Originally Posted by Medeski (Post 21923114)
Completely depends on the agreements between various airlines but in general terms most mainline employees can only fly on their specific carrier (ie Delta can only fly on Delta or a Delta connection) whereas connection carriers can fly on other airlines if they work on them (ie out station where where the connection employees handle multiple airlines at their airport).

Depend on the ground handler, I know SkyWest ground handlers typically have this ability. DGS can only fly Delta.. even if they handle UA, AA, and even WN. Some handlers, such as GAT, SwissPort, and G2 dont' get any form of pass benefits.

HDQDD Dec 7, 2013 9:31 pm


Originally Posted by davetravels (Post 21923172)
I took a $400 VDB, but others weren't so lucky. 2 Korean businessmen were IDB'd going to a meeting in MSP, then to ICN the next day - and were VERY upset. They were traveling on some sort of really cheapo tix, as they were only given about $40 (yes - forty dollars). I saw her physically write them checks on the spot! They were then limoed over to LGA for a flight to MSP.

Something is very wrong about that...

iflyalexair Dec 7, 2013 9:37 pm


Originally Posted by motytrah (Post 21922354)
Quote:





Originally Posted by FlyDeltaJets87


They fly NRSA. It's up to the crew member to ensure they get to their crew duty station in time for their shift if they choose to live in a city other than their crew base.

Even if the pilot living in CLT was DC-9/A320/MD-80 rated most "shifts" (probably not the best term to use - the exact term is slipping my mind at the moment) wouldn't start in an outstation like CLT but would start at ATL, so that crew member would still have to commute down to ATL to begin their trip, even if they were flying right back to CLT.

If a crew member is being repositioned by the company (deadheading), they I believe they fly as Non-Revenue Positive Space (For example, scheduling puts an ATL based pilot on a DTW-XXX trip. The company has to position the pilot from ATL to DTW, which will be done as "Positive Space").




That is right on. In the Ask a Delta Pilot thread I recall a discussion on "commuting" being NRSA and it's the employees fault if they miss the call time.

Most airlines won't let you commute from any old station though. It needs to be realistic. For example there's a contingent of AA folks ex MSP because it's considered an extension base for ORD because of the short flight duration and high frequency.

This is not true. I know flight attendants who commute from GRU to NYC. Airlines may have a "relocation" requirement only for new hires and reserves.

MSPeconomist Dec 7, 2013 9:46 pm


Originally Posted by motytrah (Post 21922354)
That is right on. In the Ask a Delta Pilot thread I recall a discussion on "commuting" being NRSA and it's the employees fault if they miss the call time.

Most airlines won't let you commute from any old station though. It needs to be realistic. For example there's a contingent of AA folks ex MSP because it's considered an extension base for ORD because of the short flight duration and high frequency.

I know FAs who live in the mSP area but fly from DYW because it's a younger base and they can get more attractive trips from DTW than MSP, plus DTW serves more and more interesting international destinations.

HDQDD Dec 7, 2013 9:49 pm


Originally Posted by iflyalexair (Post 21924066)
This is not true. I know flight attendants who commute from GRU to NYC. Airlines may have a "relocation" requirement only for new hires and reserves.

Not sure I understand that, but as I said, crew who live outside their domicile are on their own (i.e. NRSA) to get to their domicile to/from work.

sushi lover Dec 7, 2013 11:08 pm


Originally Posted by motytrah (Post 21922354)
That is right on. In the Ask a Delta Pilot thread I recall a discussion on "commuting" being NRSA and it's the employees fault if they miss the call time.

Most airlines won't let you commute from any old station though. It needs to be realistic. For example there's a contingent of AA folks ex MSP because it's considered an extension base for ORD because of the short flight duration and high frequency.

Categorically false. Airline crew members can commute from the North Pole if they want...all the company cares is that they are in position for their first flight of their scheduled trip. (and most airlines have commuter policies, if a pilot tries to get on 2 flights and gets bumped he gets taken off his trip with no pay but also no punishment)

jdrtravel Dec 7, 2013 11:16 pm

When an employee is commuting as a NRSA, do they get any priority over NRSA's who are on personal travel?

beckoa Dec 8, 2013 2:54 am


Originally Posted by jdrtravel (Post 21924389)
When an employee is commuting as a NRSA, do they can any priority over NRSA's who are on personal travel?

I'd imagine so. IIRC NRSA is also sorted by seniority (at least for leisure travel)

OHDL1 Dec 8, 2013 2:57 am

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