Stop over and open jaw rules
 

I was reading the award travel rules on the Delta website and found the following:

"One stopover is allowed per Award.

Open-jaw travel is permitted and counts as a stopover."

I thought one stopover AND one open-jaw were allowed on an international award ticket.

Has anyone had any luck getting both for flights from US-Europe.

I'm looking to go from NYC-CDG (stopover)-NCE and FCO-NYC on Air France/Delta flights, business class for 100k miles.

The published rules notwithstanding, you are allowed a stopover (along a valid routing) and an open jaw (provided the unflown portion is shorter than the two flown portions). You should have no problem booking your proposed award ticket. If I can get OMA-SLC-LAX-ICN-AKL//HKG-PVG(stop)-NRT-ATL-OMA and FRA-ICN-MEL//SYD-KUL-LHR(stop)-AMS-FRA ticketed for 135K and 150K miles respectively, I don't think JFK-CDG(stop)-NCE//FCO-AMS/CDG-JFK will be a problem at 100K (provided inventory exists). Don't overlook AZ on FCO-JFK. Their new Magnifica class gets nice reviews.

In practice, DL allows both one in-route stopover and one open jaw despite what the website says.

For example, I have done this as an award:

LAX-CDG-VCE (open jaw) FLR-CDG (stop) LAX

What you want should be do-able if you can get CDG-NCE availability on AF.
If you can't, you might have to pay for the TGV train from Paris on your own.
Or fly to MRS from CDG.

FCO-NYC might have to be on either AZ or DL if you cannot get FCO-CDG-NYC availability on AF. Again, you might have to start your return from Milan, VCE, or FLR if you can't get FCO. At least the Italian trains are pretty cheap.

Ok, i was quoted 150k online but that may be due to inventory. It's harder when you try to book mult-stop because it doesn't show the mileage for each segment, it shows 100k for NYC-CDG, but nothing for CDG-NCE and FCO-NYC. It also showed 150k at the end for the total.

Try a more friendly search engine like AF to find Classic availability on partners.

Try the one-way, point to point technique outlined here to find low band inventory on all segments.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...ss-awards.html

Would JFK-MAD-(Stopover)-CDG-DXB//(openjaw)DEL-CDG-JFK price out as 120k miles in J?

It could. Your outbound fits Delta's MPM of 8637 for JFK-DXB.

Even with the unflown DXB-DEL (1359 miles) being longer than the shortest flown segment, MAD-CDG (660 miles)? Or is the distance calculated using the end points for determining whether an open jaw is legal?

The open jaw rules have nothing to do with segment length, just fare component length. The fare components are JFK-DXB and DEL-JFK, both of which are longer than DXB-DEL. That's what matters.

Is there a publicly available MPM resource?

Can you do en-route open jaw? Or non-gateway stopover?
Eg. I want to fly
AUS-ATL-BSB (open-jaw, on DL)
GIG-REC-FEN (destination, on Gol)
FEN-REC-BSB-ATL-AUS (G3/DL)

or
AUS-ATL-BSB-GIG (stopover)
GIG-REC-FEN (destination)
FEN-REC-BSB-ATL-AUS

There unfortunately isn't low award availability ATL-GIG the days I want.
I could do a stopover in BSB and just buy a r/t to GIG... but the flight going back would be through GIG anyway... would save me GIG-BSB-GIG r/t.

Do a booking on delta.dumb. Pull up the fare rules via the view change and cancellation penalties link. Click the button for full fare rules. Search for MPM

Stopovers are permitted anywhere along a valid routing. Doesn't have to be your gateway or even a hub. If you wanted to book LAX-SLC-FAR(stop)-MSP-LHR, that would be fine.

What you're calling an "en route open jaw" is technically an embedded surface sector, which is generally permitted on a DL award. However, it does count as a segment, and DL's international award ticket fare rules expressly allow only four segments each direction. I've seen online award pricing break fares when you try using more than four segments in a direction. Both of your examples exceed the segment limit, so they won't price like you want. I'm also not confident that you can get an embedded surface sector and an open jaw like you have in your first example.

That works for tickets that are dummy-bookable on delta.com. (It meets the test of free!) Some partner fares and partner-carrier-only-served destinations will require an alternate resource. ExpertFlyer, looking at the routing rules of a full Y fare, is my go-to.

An excellent point. I head straight to EF, too, especially since it has the really nice MPM tool under Travel Tools, so you can put in JFK-MAD-CDG-DXB and see how it comes up without needing to compute things manually. To find out that OMA-SLC-LAX-ICN-AKL is legal per KE, however (well, up to the domestic routing to LAX), takes checking KE's routing rules and then arguing with DL agents and finally having DL.dumb price your held itinerary properly.