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xliioper Mar 17, 2019 10:59 am


Originally Posted by Loadmaster (Post 30895890)
ATL-SEA Wed next week, K fare, DL1254, upgrade listed at 38,900 miles or $418. Return flt SEA-ATL, DL2775, Thur next week, also on a K fare, 91,400 miles or $982.55

Original purchased fare appears to have nothing to do with upgrade offer these days. From what I've seen, upgrade price largely varies with availability in the F buckets. It'd probably be more helpful if people provided the F bucket inventory rather than original fare. In this case, DL1254 is Z1, while DL2775 is D2, so DL2775 gets a significantly higher FCM price. Also, there's really no point in giving the mileage amount since it is simply the cash price minus the 7.5% US Excise tax at the rate of 1 CPM. Here's the magic formula to get mileage amount ( price / .01075 ).

MarkP24 Mar 17, 2019 12:40 pm


Originally Posted by KenTarmac (Post 30897131)
There were 4 seats available when I first looked at the flight. By the time I got to checking in there were only two left. I went ahead and used my sky pesos for the upgrade. There's only one seat left now and the upgrade list has 46 names on it.

Makes sense.

MarkP24 Mar 17, 2019 12:40 pm


Originally Posted by LBJ (Post 30897224)
Original purchased fare appears to have nothing to do with upgrade offer these days. From what I've seen, upgrade price largely varies with availability in the F buckets. It'd probably be more helpful if people provided the F bucket inventory rather than original fare. In this case, DL1254 is Z1, while DL2775 is D2, so DL2775 gets a significantly higher FCM price. Also, there's really no point in giving the mileage amount since it is simply the cash price minus the 7.5% US Excise tax at the rate of 1 CPM. Here's the magic formula to get mileage amount ( price / .01075 ).

Thank you for that formula! I was wondering where the numbers come from!

motoridersd Mar 19, 2019 7:01 am

BWI - MSP - SAN 9 days out is $298.85 for both segments. Probably the best offer I've seen. 14 F seats available on MSP - SAN segment on a 739, only 1 seat taken on BWI - MSP on a 738.

I might get at least one of those upgrades as a Plat. Got BWI - DTW - SAN all the way a few weeks ago.

Edit: Did not go for it and ended up getting the upgrades on both segments. I was surprised by the BWI - MSP portion since I was #3 on the list and only 2 seats were available. Did not expect the seat update ticket to pop up.

lost_perspicacity Mar 19, 2019 8:46 am

Interesting contrast here on seats open vs price


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dmarge18 Mar 19, 2019 8:49 am

A week out from VPS-ATL-IAD, $1105 for a buy up offer (on a $600 flight). Tempting, I know, but...

lost_perspicacity Mar 19, 2019 8:51 am

Does one get the 200% MQMs if buying up with miles and not cash?

griffy208 Mar 19, 2019 7:32 pm

Question: If I check in at T-24 for the first leg of a two leg trip, am I just as likely to see a 'real' FCM offer for the second leg as well as the first, or do I need to do something to properly trigger an FCM offer at T-24 for the second leg?

EDIT: Said first leg currently has a C+ to F FCM offer of $651 for DTW-JFK 23 days out with 3 open in F. lolz.

Daitheflu84 Mar 19, 2019 7:56 pm


Originally Posted by lost_perspicacity (Post 30905107)
Does one get the 200% MQMs if buying up with miles and not cash?

When Ive bought up with miles, I got the MQM bonus. I dont think I got 200% though. I think it was 150% but I might have to check the math again.

Daitheflu84 Mar 19, 2019 7:59 pm


Originally Posted by griffy208 (Post 30907304)
Question: If I check in at T-24 for the first leg of a two leg trip, am I just as likely to see a 'real' FCM offer for the second leg as well as the first, or do I need to do something to properly trigger an FCM offer at T-24 for the second leg?

EDIT: Said first leg currently has a C+ to F FCM offer of $651 for DTW-JFK 23 days out with 3 open in F. lolz.

When I check into the first leg of a round trip flight, I always see the FC cabin blocked out for the return leg and no FCM offers are subsequently shown. I always have to call in to UG after the fact, although I have seen the option to UG at OLCI if I use the website.

And, for whatever reason, FCM offers are always stupid expensive for me until I get within 7 or so days of my trip. My FCM offer for an April 4th SEA-DTW leg is currently showing $638 but typically drops to $375 the week of. Still not a great deal though.

griffy208 Mar 20, 2019 6:19 am


Originally Posted by Daitheflu84 (Post 30907363)
When I check into the first leg of a round trip flight, I always see the FC cabin blocked out for the return leg and no FCM offers are subsequently shown. I always have to call in to UG after the fact, although I have seen the option to UG at OLCI if I use the website.

And, for whatever reason, FCM offers are always stupid expensive for me until I get within 7 or so days of my trip. My FCM offer for an April 4th SEA-DTW leg is currently showing $638 but typically drops to $375 the week of. Still not a great deal though.

Interesting. When I said two-leg, I suppose I should have said 4. My outbound is two legs with a 4 hour layover. I am always curious as to if/when I would see a FCM offer that would qualify as a 'check-in special' in terms of value, but it sounds like you're seeing this level of 'deal' within 7 days. Interesting. I'll keep an eye on it.

JTE458 Mar 20, 2019 8:02 am

Wow, actually got a good one. ATL>SAT Friday night, 5 open seats in First, upgrade is $106. 2:40 min flight. As a PM I would assume I'll be likely upgraded with that rate and availability so will pass.

xliioper Mar 20, 2019 10:40 am


Originally Posted by lost_perspicacity (Post 30905083)

Seatmap availability does not need to have any correlation with Fare bucket availability. In this case, DL4933 on 3/27 is J9 C9 D0 I0 Z0. So again, price seems to correlate with the bucket availability, not the number of open seats. As you can see there is only availability in the pricey J and C buckets, and the cheaper D/I/Z buckets are all zero'd out. Note that BCD Travel has a free availability checker tool.

ATOBTTR Mar 20, 2019 11:44 am

Now in the UG window for flights on weekend (SAT-ATL-MLB), but no upgrades have cleared yet.
$680 to buy-up on SAT-ATL
$714 to buy-up on ATL-MLB
Nearly $1400 to buy-up for both legs.

I mean, good for DL if they can get someone to buy-up at that price, but really? $1400 for SAT-ATL-MLB? I think I'll tough it out in C+ ;)

griffy208 Mar 20, 2019 2:38 pm

Never seen the upgrade with miles option on any FCM. Interesting!


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