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jamesteroh Jun 13, 2015 10:11 am


Originally Posted by FullTimeFlyer (Post 24964433)
Yup, just another gratuitous kick in face from DL. Now if you want to have a look what's happening you have to go to the completely wasted effort of making a dummy booking. Would love to hear what they think they are accomplishing for anyone by blanking out all the available seats.

FTF

I wonder the same thing about prohibiting expert flyer from showing their data now. Means wasting my time making dummy bookings and when I want to see if upgrade inventory is available fur gu's or to sdc wasting my time calling delta as well as the time of a delta agent

Esltroy Jun 13, 2015 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by EZEDoesIt (Post 24962023)
Why didn't you book Mom's ticket for her? :p

Will you give her your seat up front? :D

But....... How do you plan to SDC on an int'l ticket?!!

I didn't book her ticket for her. My Aunt paid for her ticket as a birthday present.

I didn't realize that I may not be able to SDC on the international ticket. Has anyone ever been able to do that before?

My mom and aunt are seasoned international travelers. I am not too worried about them making it through customs and such.ill let you all know if I am able to SDC.

miraclebear2003 Jun 13, 2015 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by FullTimeFlyer (Post 24964457)
(and also re: the similar comment by Elstroy about getting the extra mqm)

OK, now I'm confused. I thought I read earlier that if you took a FQM monetization offer you didn't actually get extra MQM, rather it was like paying a fee, which gets you no credit.

Did I misunderstand? What exactly does happen if, for example, you pay en extra $300 for a transcon. How many more MQM do you get? Did I miss that and what you don't get is more RDM or more MQD or some other thing DL has inflicted on us?

Sorry to break it down but I'd really like to know since it would affect my willingness to take these cursed things, and I can't just jump back through 165 pages.

If for example I flew SAN-JFK as a Plat for a $300 1-way fare I'd expect about 2450 or so MQM and 2700 (9X) RDM and 300 MQD. What would I get if I took the $300 FCM offer?

Many thanks for helping the confused...

FTF

DL offers you a price to upgrade to FC and you will earn based on your new fare and fare class. You don't get an additional 300 MQD (and resulting RDM) because some of that will be taxes and fees.

gooselee Jun 13, 2015 2:35 pm


Originally Posted by Esltroy (Post 24965207)
I didn't book her ticket for her. My Aunt paid for her ticket as a birthday present.

I didn't realize that I may not be able to SDC on the international ticket. Has anyone ever been able to do that before?

My mom and aunt are seasoned international travelers. I am not too worried about them making it through customs and such.ill let you all know if I am able to SDC.

You can only SDC on domestic flights. If your domestic flight is part of an int'l itinerary, you can only SDC on the domestic leg after arriving back in the US (i.e., you can't SDC if there are any remaining int'l legs on your itinerary).

YMMV on an agent willing to bend these rules, but I wouldn't expect much.

DL-Don Jun 13, 2015 2:44 pm

More of my favorite FCM opportunities from this year and late last year. All are round trips.

LEX-DCA
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...tbound-dca.jpg

LEX-YYZ
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...-sept-2014.jpg

LEX-EWR
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...ght-prices.jpg

These don't include ones where F was $10 or less more expensive than Y and I paid the difference myself.

sethb Jun 13, 2015 4:02 pm


Originally Posted by WWads (Post 24961662)
What I'd like to know is who would pay for an upgrade on a 40 minute flight (or buy F outright).

I've done that. F on a flight at an acceptable time was cheaper than Y on the flights I wanted, and the ability to SDC was worth it. Especially since I won't know which return flight I want until shortly before I arrive at the airport.

FullTimeFlyer Jun 14, 2015 1:25 am


Originally Posted by miraclebear2003 (Post 24965209)
DL offers you a price to upgrade to FC and you will earn based on your new fare and fare class. You don't get an additional 300 MQD (and resulting RDM) because some of that will be taxes and fees.

Sorry, but I'm not totally clear - maybe just dense on the new rules, as well as what earn means here and what the significance is of the tax and fee comment. So meaning I'll just earn the added MQM, or will I earn some of the 300 added dollars - whatever isn't attributable to taxes and fees. Because obviously a lot of that $300 is going to buy you a fancier seat - not all taxes. (Not trying to argue with anyone, just trying to understand.)

Again, grateful for the help.

FTF

DL-Don Jun 14, 2015 8:29 am


Originally Posted by FullTimeFlyer (Post 24967142)
So meaning I'll just earn the added MQM, or will I earn some of the 300 added dollars - whatever isn't attributable to taxes and fees.

Both.

The dollars spent on the fare (not taxes) will earn RDMs and, depending on the fare basis, may earn more MQMs. See the chart at:

http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...ith-delta.html

If you buy up to a P, G or A fare you will earn 150% of the normal MQMs.

sethb Jun 14, 2015 7:35 pm


Originally Posted by FullTimeFlyer (Post 24967142)
Sorry, but I'm not totally clear - maybe just dense on the new rules, as well as what earn means here and what the significance is of the tax and fee comment. So meaning I'll just earn the added MQM, or will I earn some of the 300 added dollars - whatever isn't attributable to taxes and fees. Because obviously a lot of that $300 is going to buy you a fancier seat - not all taxes. (Not trying to argue with anyone, just trying to understand.)

Again, grateful for the help.

FTF

Almost all of the $300 will earn SkyPesos.

You'll get additional MQMs based on your new fare class.

FullTimeFlyer Jun 15, 2015 5:12 am

Thanks, DL-Don and sethb (and miraclebear2003 before that, even though there was a bit I didn't get).

Somehow I'd got the idea that they treated this whole thing as sort of a fee, rather than legitimate new fare and class, so at least I'm glad that's not the case.

FTF

MNAudiS4 Jun 15, 2015 6:40 am


Originally Posted by FullTimeFlyer (Post 24971825)
Thanks, DL-Don and sethb (and miraclebear2003 before that, even though there was a bit I didn't get).

Somehow I'd got the idea that they treated this whole thing as sort of a fee, rather than legitimate new fare and class, so at least I'm glad that's not the case.

FTF

That depends if you do it at booking it will be treated as a FC fare, i did one last month at check-in and they treated it as an E-First Upgrade.

"When available, eligible customers are offered the option to purchase 'e-First' upgrades during the check-in process on delta.com, Delta's Mobile app, or at an airport Kiosk. If you choose to pay money to upgrade, you are prompted to enter your credit card information to complete the transaction. The card is immediately charged; your ticket is rebooked in the upgraded class of service and you are then guided to complete the check-in process.

With e-First Upgrades, mileage accrual is based on the economy fare purchased, and the e-First fee does not qualify for MQD accrual. I realize this is a disappointment, and trust you will understand our position. We hope you will continue to make Delta your airline of choice."

monitor Jun 15, 2015 8:02 am


Originally Posted by FullTimeFlyer (Post 24971825)
...Somehow I'd got the idea that they treated this whole thing as sort of a fee, rather than legitimate new fare and class, so at least I'm glad that's not the case....

AFAIK, UA generally seems to treat that sort of thing as a fee although there are reports that very occasionally, it is incorporated into the fare.

The UA flyers have not been happy.

sethb Jun 15, 2015 8:35 am


Originally Posted by FullTimeFlyer (Post 24971825)
Thanks, DL-Don and sethb (and miraclebear2003 before that, even though there was a bit I didn't get).

Somehow I'd got the idea that they treated this whole thing as sort of a fee, rather than legitimate new fare and class, so at least I'm glad that's not the case.

FTF

At check-in it's a fee, before that it's part of the fare.

jamesteroh Jun 15, 2015 8:43 am


Originally Posted by sethb (Post 24972571)
At check-in it's a fee, before that it's part of the fare.

$684 for my labor day weekend trip DTW to MSY and returning MSY/ATL/DTW!!! And all these flights have the Delta "enhancement" of not showing the empty F seats. I can buy plenty of strong drinks and some nice dinners in New Orleans for that. I'll take my chances and stick with my assigned aisle C+ seats.

sethb Jun 15, 2015 9:20 am


Originally Posted by jamesteroh (Post 24972610)
$684 for my labor day weekend trip DTW to MSY and returning MSY/ATL/DTW!!! And all these flights have the Delta "enhancement" of not showing the empty F seats. I can buy plenty of strong drinks and some nice dinners in New Orleans for that. I'll take my chances and stick with my assigned aisle C+ seats.

Interesting; on the flights where Delta is trying to sell me the upgrade, it does show F seats available.


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