Well, the Surly part is certainly true:

http://www.surlybrewing.com/

Like this?...

Let's not forget the I want crappy free food instead of using my expense $ on food that normal people eat crowd.....

Must be the PMNW DTW folks... ;)
http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercis...est-city-title

Rather than an "ignore" list, it sounds like you could use an "allow" list.

+1.

When DL took as much away from the NW flyers, it is easy to see why the rift occurs.

That's why you'll rarely see me post here.

I feel a little bad of the pro DL people, having to hear the NW people complain, but I totally get why the NW people complain.

The NW and DL forums were much different (both significantly nicer/ less negative) than this mixed forum is.

Accurate observation, OP.

Missing something as in a little more civility in many of the responses. Reading thru some of the threads old and new it would appear one needs to go thru a ritual or something. Many of the replies are so full of sarcasm, banter, irrelevant, demeaning content that it makes one wonder if the folks are over 15.. Yes, it is the web but in a forum as this one I'd expect less judgemental and similar comments.

I have Delta to thank for introducing me to Flyertalk. If not for the targeted gift MQM promotion in 2009 that made me wonder what was going on, I might never have found this crazy community. I keep coming back because there has been a lot of useful information about how I could get more from the SkyMiles program, but since the NW integration, complaints predominate this forum. I have my share of grievances too, but for the most part I'm happy with Delta's service. Even though I flew NW only once in my whole life, I wasn't a DL elite until 2008. Is that far enough back to make me biased? Am I an apologist for appreciating that they've treated me well?

The near constant tone of complaint here has driven some of us to other sites, but FT remains the more comprehensive source of useful information—if you can manage to sift through the snark.

FLY AWAY!!!! :td:

I'm reminded of when I was a kid (a long time ago), when you were a Chevy (or more broadly GM) loyalist, or a Ford loyalist, or a Chrysler loyalist, and nothing could shake that loyalty.

Myself? I could be considered either PMNW or PMDL, depending on how you look at it. I went to college for a couple of years ('72-'74) in the Twin Cities, so I flew NW to/from my parents', because NW had the only MSP-PHL nonstop (got my first op-up as a college freshman on NW heading home for Christmas :D). When I got my first job and moved to Detroit in '78 (right around dereg time), I had no loyalty, because DTW was nobody's hub. It was NW to PHL, NW to SEA or Alaska for vacation, UA/AA to LAX or SLC, and DL to IAH or FL. In the aftermath of the RC merger, it was NW all the way for a while until the clusterf**k that was the NW/RC merger made me vow not to fly NW ever again. At that point I went with DL all the way (CRC member, no less), despite the need for connections, until I moved to Japan. The need for a double connection via PDX on DL at the time (vs a NRT-DTW nonstop on NW) turned me back to NW, where I remained for the rest of my working days (I maintained enough spend on my DL Amex to keep my DL miles current).

Having been through all that over the years (including lots of paid F and Intl C, free upgrades, and Y travel on both airlines), I have to say the tone on this board can be kind of silly.

Was PMNW perfect? Mmmm... No. Over the years, NW was workmanlike, perfectly adequate. Really good FA's made it really good, and certain FA's were horrors, but either was the exception.
Was PMDL perfect? Hardly. On average, DL F was better than NW F.
Has DL ruined NW? Not that I've noticed. For my flying these days, DL is an acceptable substitute for NW (just have to schedule things to avoid the CR2's).

Well you are talking about WN here. Also, with WN the FFP is terrible and domestic flights only, and soon to be expanded into the Caribbean :td:

WN customers seem to have lower standards in general. This isn't a diss to anyone that frequents the board here and flies WN, just saying.

Someone like my younger sister and her girlfriends would fly WN, so they can get low fares and ramble in the back the entire time. I value my time and how I spend my $, which translates to wanting something rewarding in the end.

DL has flights all around the world practically, better seating, food, first class, clubs, priority lines, etc!

Also, I'm more fascinated with flying on other planes aside from 737's

I took a WN flight a year ago and said "NEVER FLYING WN AGAIN" and you know what? I haven't even flinched at buying a WN flight.

I too got that feeling when I started visiting Delta forum as my family and I had been NW elites. SOme DL posters have avery strong sense of "ownership". New posters are looked at as usurpers of established order and authority. I got a certain feeling of being an intruder. Then there are diehard DL apologists, who would attack anyone who they perceived as criticsing Delta, even if one wasn't, especially, if one were a "poster", new to their forum.

Hey, we were doing just fine til your soup eating guild came along....

I thought that this was ridiculous until I counted how many I have flown (I am 25). Excluding the regional subsidiaries (Comair and the like), I already have at least 27:

AA, AF, CO, CX, CZ, D7, DL, FL, FM, HO, HU, JL, LH, MU, MH, NH, NW, SC, SQ, TK, TW, UA, UO, US, WN, YX, ZH

As for classes of service--not all of us have traveled extensively in F/P. To have NEVER traveled in another class might be another issue.

WN is really geared more towards the casual flier (my mom, for instance) than DL is, so it is natural that the type of people who comment on this forum are coming from a different 'place'. Some business folks have really enjoyed WN in the past due to routing/promptness, but the grisled, international travelers (with egos) tend to be DL/UA type flyers.

If you're 25 now, you must have been just a tyke when you flew TW! TW was the first airline I flew, and it was quite some time ago, and I was just a little boy at the time. Not long ago, my Mom commented that it seems that it was more recently, that I began to enjoy flying so much. I informed her that we took our first flight on a 727 from MCI to STL connecting to a 747 to FRA. Then we returned on a 767, misconnected in JFK, and had to switch to DL, connect in ATL and stop in MEM before arriving in IND. She said, "Wow! You remember all that?" I said, "Yes. Would you like to know how many seats were on each plane?"

To add some value to this thread, I agree with the OP. There are many posts that are immediately flamed by others. I find the behavior interesting, and I have often wondered if these posters are @$$ holes in real life or just on Flyertalk.