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Originally Posted by jamesteroh
(Post 16246005)
I thought about putting a couple minis in my plastic liquid ziplock bag but wasn't sure if TSA would hassle me or not. You could do what I saw a guy do last year in the SC at DTW, he poured vodka from the SC bar into an empty water bottle. If he drank that all in flight I am sure he was close to being passed out at the end of the flight:)
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Originally Posted by donb25
(Post 16246059)
They can, and do and it goes nowhere. No one can prove passenger “x” did not deplane and drink some more prior to getting in their vehicle.
Getting into a car and driving after drinking is the sole fault of the driver. And, by the way--where've you been hiding? I am personally aware of many suits, some won some lost but all costing the defendant a fair amount in legal fees, regardless. There was just recently a 1.4 million lawsuit awarded here in OR, which is saying something because the legal standard is higher here than many other places. |
Originally Posted by donb25
(Post 16246134)
Not talking about a bar - I am talking about an airline.
Police Officer: "Where did you obtain the drinks you had?" Driver: "I just got off the plane from JFK-LAX." Police Officer: "What airline were you flying on?" Driver: "Delta." Police Officer: "And did you have any drinks anywhere else?" Driver: "I had two drinks at the Delta club before boarding, and one more drink at the Delta club after landing." Police Officer: "Why didn't you get your alcohol at the bar by the gate?" Driver: "You're kidding, right? In the Delta club the drinks are free, YIPPEE!" REMEMBER, alcohol removes or reduces people's inhibitions, meaning while someone might keep something bottled up while sober, they might not be able to keep the same thing bottled up if they are intoxicated! |
Originally Posted by Vegasmusician
(Post 16241270)
So I am 3 hours into a flight as we speak from MSP to LAS and enjoying some rum and cokes and surfing the net. The FA walks by and I ask for another rum and coke when she gets a chance... and I get the look. "Well, it's only been 3 hours and this will be your 4th drink. I'll get this one, but it will be your last because I dont feel comfortable serving more than 4 in that time period". OK. So let me get this straight... it is my day off and I finally get to have some drinks on the flight, I am not being loud or obnoxious, It is a long flight and I weigh about 210. 4 drinks in 3 hours is not sending me over the edge... or even getting me a buzz:) I think she is being lazy and does not want make anymore drinks.
Just did a WAS to LAS but wasn't as interesting but before that LAS trip was another on DL, which was from BOS and I had 8 rum and cokes along with 2 nips. |
Originally Posted by donb25
(Post 16246134)
Not talking about a bar - I am talking about an airline.
Ultimately, the legal standard simply comes down to whether you can convince a jury. So if you put the downside of having to defend your company against a potential, if unlikely lawsuit against the upside of serving some random passenger a 5th drink..? Oh brother. |
Originally Posted by USirritated
(Post 16246187)
Not all people are so smart.
Police Officer: "Where did you obtain the drinks you had?" Driver: "I just got off the plane from JFK-LAX." Police Officer: "What airline were you flying on?" Driver: "Delta." Police Officer: "And did you have any drinks anywhere else?" Driver: "I had two drinks at the Delta club before boarding, and one more drink at the Delta club after landing." Police Officer: "Why didn't you get your alcohol at the bar by the gate?" Driver: "You're kidding, right? In the Delta club the drinks are free, YIPPEE!" REMEMBER, alcohol removes or reduces people's inhibitions, meaning while someone might keep something bottled up while sober, they might not be able to keep the same thing bottled up if they are intoxicated! Guess this is why the airlines are no longer in business, right? All those alcohol related lawsuits just shut them down with massive monetary judgments….. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by tokyomike
(Post 16245731)
Relax. Have a drink.
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Originally Posted by Spotter
(Post 16246232)
The point is that--win or lose--they would STILL have to defend themselves in a potentially highly public and embarrassing trial. Which costs money and makes shareholders nervous about large settlements or increased oversight, or who knows what, which costs more money. All you have to do is find witnesses that will say that the guy appeared to be drunk while on the airplane. That is the legal standard. The deplaning into an airport gives the airline the chance to look for a witness that can prove he drank more in the airport after deplaning, but it certainly doesn't stop the lawsuit from being filed in the first place.
Ultimately, the legal standard simply comes down to whether you can convince a jury. So if you put the downside of having to defend your company against a potential, if unlikely lawsuit against the upside of serving some random passenger a 5th drink..? Oh brother. Very concisely presented! The actual costs of defending against lawsuits is sometimes so expensive that corporations and their insurance companies sometimes settle and make payouts, just to avoid the costs of discover and other litigation costs, and that does not include the negative PR fall out, and what that costs a major corporation! |
You people are hilarious.
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Originally Posted by Spotter
(Post 16246232)
The point is that--win or lose--they would STILL have to defend themselves in a potentially highly public and embarrassing trial. Which costs money and makes shareholders nervous about large settlements or increased oversight, or who knows what, which costs more money. All you have to do is find witnesses that will say that the guy appeared to be drunk while on the airplane. That is the legal standard. The deplaning into an airport gives the airline the chance to look for a witness that can prove he drank more in the airport after deplaning, but it certainly doesn't stop the lawsuit from being filed in the first place.
Ultimately, the legal standard simply comes down to whether you can convince a jury. So if you put the downside of having to defend your company against a potential, if unlikely lawsuit against the upside of serving some random passenger a 5th drink..? Oh brother. |
Originally Posted by donb25
(Post 16246250)
Case closed.
Guess this is why the airlines are no longer in business, right? All those alcohol related lawsuits just shut them down with massive monetary judgments….. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Reloder
(Post 16246253)
Best reply in this trainwreck.
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Originally Posted by stallion114
(Post 16246015)
There was a baby in the row ahead of us who started crying during the flight. The drunk guy starts screaming "What the F*** is that noise?" "Is that a damn baby?" I lost it at this point and started laughing out loud. I felt like I was in a SNL skit.
Originally Posted by Spotter
(Post 16246092)
And a fat guy with a bag full of candy bars doesn't have a problem either.
I always carry a PowerBar in my carry-on in case I miss a meal. But that's because I *need* to eat... |
Originally Posted by florin
(Post 16246377)
I really liked your first post in this thread, but now you're being judgmental. :td:
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No Federal Dram Shop Law
Originally Posted by USirritated
(Post 16246031)
Not sure if a victim in a drunk driving accident could sue the airline (or any purveyor of alcohol) for not cutting someone off from alcohol? REALLY? YES, unequivocally, YES, a victim in a drunk driving accident could absolutely sue the airline, and not only that, the victim would win if the evidence proved that the perpetrator obtained the alcohol on the flight or in the club.
In the case of Townsend (the victim) he did NOT win. See Delta Airlines, Inc. v. Townsend, S05G0251. Though FAA 121.575 may say that it is "illegal" to serve alcohol to an intoxicated passenger, there is no Federal pre-emption to state dram shop laws and there is no federal dram shop law in place. Can the airline be sued - of course, they are the deep pocket - will the "victim" win - apparently not in Georgia. |
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