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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 11:40 am
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Article on future of MSP

http://www.startribune.com/business/...UvDEhiaE3miUsZ

Read the comments section. Many people believe all the MAC needs to do is tell Delta they can't have so many gates, and the other airlines will then magically begin additional service to new cities.

I don't think they understand the industry, and I think they should be careful what they wish for.

Some things that I question about the article.

He talks about other airlines increasing market share, and names Southwest ( a new entrant) and US Airways as examples. He claims U.S. Airways grew from 117,000 passengers in 2005 to 900,000 last year, but this is likely entirely from their merger with America West, and so that number is misleading. I would also guess that since US Airways is no longer serving LAS from MSP, that number is now smaller. Air Tran has grown their market share, and that is a good example.

He is using data about total enplanements. The merger did mean that some markets were better served by connecting some passengers through different airports, and so they are able to right size markets and get rid of redundancy. But when he talks about the health of the airport, he should be using O&D numbers, which still remain strong.

For all these reasons, I don't get the sense the author doesn't have enough background information to be writing an editorial like this.
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 2:23 pm
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First, as background, Strib user comments are generally beyond Crazytown, more so than other news sites.

I read the article and didn't see much of a point beyond warped civic pride. I really don't care how the airport ranks against others worldwide, nationally, or in the Delta world. I just want to get where I want to go in a timely stress free manner, MSP still works well for that. The move to RJ flying is not limited to DL or MSP.

I am getting the feeling that the author has recently taken a Jetblue flight and drank the Koolaid. That is the only "low fare carrier" not operating at MSP that I could see someone wanting. People don't seek out Spirit do they?
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 2:57 pm
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As a survivor of the the USAir pullout of PIT and now a live witness to the de-fortressfication of MSP, I see the writing on the wall clearer than most. I do not think that MSP will become the ghost town that PIT now is, however the future of MSP will be quite different than the past. DL clearly favors DTW for being the international gateway. That means lower numbers of connecting flights feeding the lucrative international routes for MSP. In turn, that means the O&D travelers will have less DL flights to select from and less direct routes.

So, MSP will have fewer DL flights and the opportunity does exist for other carriers to come in. This will be good for prices (see PIT) however, the new carriers will NEVER make up for the losses from the NWA to DAL transition. One comment after the article stated that the Lindbergh Terminal parking is full Tues-Thurs. The parking lot at PIT is also fuller than ever, but with less total flights by a mile from its USAir hub status. More O&D, less total flights. Sounds like the direction of MSP.
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 3:20 pm
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I just recently arrived into MSP from NRT. My impression was that Delta isn't really considering this a hub. Maybe more an overflow hub for DTW? The immigration/customs area is rather small and it looks like most domestic flights are CRJs . It feels a bit like Memphis, which I guess is the overflow for ATL.

With less and less airlines, there will be a trend to fewer larger hubs. In particular Delta has some savings potential which I think they in part didn't realize yet because they have to honor some of the pre-merger contracts.

CVG, MEM, MSP are certainly "weak" right now. I would bet that Delta would rather shift resources further west (SEA?, which more SEA-Asia flight?)
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 3:31 pm
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Originally Posted by underattack
My impression was that Delta isn't really considering this a hub.
I don't see that at all. I think it is a full fledged hub and I think Delta thinks the same thing.

Originally Posted by underattack
CVG, MEM, MSP are certainly "weak" right now. I would bet that Delta would rather shift resources further west (SEA?, which more SEA-Asia flight?)
The "weak" player in this is CVG. This is relative ghost town to what it once was. Is there any evidence that Delta would "rather shift resources further west"?
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 4:48 pm
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Just a clarification: this piece didn't appear on the editorial page, but on the first page of the Sunday business section. It was apparently written by a business columnist.
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 5:04 pm
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IMO, that is the worst airline-related article I have ever read.
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 5:21 pm
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Originally Posted by N639DL
IMO, that is the worst airline-related article I have ever read.
You need to read more.
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 5:42 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
You need to read more.
I'm furiated you would say such a thing
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 5:46 pm
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Originally Posted by indufan
Is there any evidence that Delta would "rather shift resources further west"?
Plenty. Look at the increased Asia flying out of SEA and the addition of a 767 pilot base there. And note the smaller aircraft flying from MSP, while larger aircraft and new routes are being put at other hubs.
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 5:54 pm
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Originally Posted by mersk862
I'm furiated you would say such a thing
You need to read more too: furiated is not a word except in the lounge thread, except possibly if you're using it as an alternate spelling for furriated, and I think it's too early in the winter for that to apply.
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 5:55 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
You need to read more too: furiated is not a word except in the lounge thread, except possibly if you're using it as an alternate spelling for furriated, and I think it's too early in the winter for that to apply.
Ah...I thought it was part of the FlyerTalk lexicon now (it's been popping up on other threads over the past week...)
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 5:57 pm
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Originally Posted by underattack
I just recently arrived into MSP from NRT. My impression was that Delta isn't really considering this a hub. Maybe more an overflow hub for DTW? The immigration/customs area is rather small and it looks like most domestic flights are CRJs . It feels a bit like Memphis, which I guess is the overflow for ATL.

With less and less airlines, there will be a trend to fewer larger hubs. In particular Delta has some savings potential which I think they in part didn't realize yet because they have to honor some of the pre-merger contracts.

CVG, MEM, MSP are certainly "weak" right now. I would bet that Delta would rather shift resources further west (SEA?, which more SEA-Asia flight?)
I think people need to look at the companies in each city. O & D is what drives most of the routes/ airlift. look at some of the NRT rumors, some of the cities by themselves make little sense until you look at corp headquarters.
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 6:25 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
You need to read more.
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