As advertised on Flyertalk.com...

Pay your mortgage with a credit card....Auto loan and lease payments coming soon!

Discover, Mastercard or VISA, but not American Express.

Fees: 2.49% PLUS $19.99 per transaction.

http://cardit.com/

Dennis,

thanks for the info and more importantly your countless on going contributions on this Forum!

Having said that I think that this "deal" will be a commercial failure , eevn among hard core milegae junkies.

1- List of participants is primarily comprised of sub-prime and small lenders.

---what percent of the US mortgage do you think that their list has?
---What is the marketshare of the participants?


2- Fees make the tax payments look like a great deal.
Unless making a very large payment then the $20 Flat on top of 2.49 adds a lot of vig.

If you have a $15,000 a month morgage with one the participants then $20 is not meaningful.

But I'd venture to guess that most FT'ers with a mortgage that size did not borrow from this list of participants.

Finally, its a very uncompelling business model.
The flat fee is even more costly on the "soon" to be offered Auto and lease payments.

Hi FT'ers,

Just wanted to throw in my two cents from Cardit.

Though our fee may be off putting to some, many rewards cards significantly offset that expense. With the right combination of rewards program and flight scheduling, we have found that even after paying our fee, users have been able to end up in front 1/2 point or more. With that said, we are also working on ways to reduce our fee and/or provide other incentives to use our service.

"writetorich"'s claim that our participants are primarily sub-prime and small lenders is incorrect. Currently, we accept payments for 116 lenders (and growing) including the Top 10 mortgage servicers which represent the overwhelming majority of prime mortgage products. Cardit gives no preference to the lenders we support in regards to their loan types.

As for our auto and lease payment offerings, we are formulating a fair fee structure and have yet to publish it on our site. We can divulge that it will likely be very different from our mortgage payment model.

I appreciate the forum's interest in our service. As with most things, Cardit isn't for everyone; however, we are more than happy to offer it as an option for those to whom it makes sense.

With any additional questions or concerns, don't hesitate to contact me at jake (at) Cardit (dot) com.

Jake

Welcome to Flyertalk, and thank you for identifying yourself.

1. Do all card issuers treat CardIt transactions as purchases, rather than cash advances?

2. Is there any prospect CardIt will accept American Express?

3. Any problem using CardIt to make larger than required payments, or extra principal-only prepayments?

A first post worthy of a veteran

You'll fit right in on this board

Thanks for responding and "verifying" your identity with a corporate e mail address.

1. Yes, it shows up and is handled the same as any other charge.

2. Yes, but not immediately. We are exploring the possibility of adding them and hope to do so soon.

3. There shouldn't be. Payments from Cardit look like any other payment. As long as your lender doesn't require principal to be paid through a different channel, it shouldn't be a problem.

Thanks for your interest in our company. Feel free to post any other questions here or to contact me directly. Regards

I just went through the first few steps on the website to see how it worked, and only one amount can be entered for the payment. When I pay directly to my lender online, I have to enter any extra amount as either extra principal or extra escrow. Without my lender knowing what the extra amount is for, it may not be applied as extra principal. More than likely, it may be applied as a partial payment toward the next payment, which may include some interest rather than all principal. I would like to use this service if Amex gets approved, but I also want to pay extra principal and am not certain that it would be applied correctly.

Jake-

Can you provide an example of this? If I could come out ahead I would be interested in CardIt. I don't know of any card that pays more than 2% on standard purchases, that card being the Premier Pass when paired with a flight pt.

To end up 1/2 pt ahead as you say, one would need to be using a card that pays 3% or more.

Unless you are referring to getting the maximum value out of you points when redeemed and not just the earning ratio.

Thanks!

Great question. We have found that each lender processes extra payments differently. For example, Wells Fargo directs payments in excess of the monthly bill to principal by default. Some of the newer mortgage products (neg am, IO, or PITI) that allow flexible payment amounts may be treated differently. The best way is to verify with your specific lender what their default procedure is for excess payment amounts. If your comfortable telling me your lender, you can email me and I'll research this for you.

1 TYP is worth 3 cents if redeemed for first/business class travel. Many cards offer 2 points per purchase, Citi Platinum Amex offers 3 points for first two years. 3 x .03 = 9 cents per $ spent, or a theoretically 9% "cash back." Not really cash in pocket, but value in plane tickets.

If you just use TYPs for gift cards, you get exactly 1 cent per TYP, or 3% cashback on the Citi Platinum Amex.

Unfortunately, this is a moot point as CardIt doesn't take Amex.

Jake,

I'll give an example exactly similar to Richard's. When I schedule my mortgage payment each month with Countrywide, If I include extra amounts I have to tell it where to apply them, whether Principal or Escrow. I think what he's getting at is, it would be great if cardit.com was setup so that we could direct where we want extra payments to go, just like we can if we are paying our mortgage directly to the lender. What my lenders default for extra payment is, is not going to help unless it just happens to be what I want it to be. As Richard suggests, the default may often be to hold the amount as credit toward the following month, preventing us from paying the extra principal to pay off the mortgage sooner.

Jake,

I find your discussion to many questions honest and compelling to look at the service....

So , if i have to pay my monthly Chase car loan , do I have to advice them prior that i would pay it on CardIt or that step is not necessary...will be happy to consider mortgage payments down the road after the fee stumbling block gets eleminated.

Thanks.

NO!


A TYP is not "worth' 3 cents if redeemed in first/business class.

First, that assumes that the hassle and inefficiencies of dealing with EXPREDIA does not result in a less than competitive price and or at a minimum and aggravation and waste of time factor.

Second, It assumes that the premium luxury travel would have actually been paid for by you in cold , hard cash.

After all you are paying card it , cash in advance.

Third, if you are a couple with a mortgage very often you need around half million dollars of points to get two J tixs.

So you have paid Jake a 2.5% vig for years to get about $250,000 or best case $167,000 in mortgage payments to him.

lost opportunity cost?

vulgarities of future TY point devaluations?

Uncertainty over retail pricing on Business class? some regions EUROPE, SOUTH AMERICA SAO PAULO are VERY HARD TO REDEEM AT THE CURRENT CAPS.

Fourth, your 3 cents in travel assumes a very unlikely scenario of redeeming the ABSOLUTE maximum value on a ticket that you would have definitely paid for any way. Its difficult to Hot EXACTLY the maximum.


Finally, what would you rather have Three cents in cash for 500,000 points OR the potential speculative ability to book travel , WITH ONE VENDOR, WITH ONE SEARCH ENGINE & BOOKING LIMITATIONS with that travel having a theoretical potential maximum value of 3 cents.??

I apply a 50% discount to the above scenario.

A TY point is "worth" 1.5 cents to me and if I can't achieve a critical mass of 250,000 TY points then its worth 1 cent in cash.

Conversely, I pay my taxes using starwood Amex as the SPG points are Worth 2.49 cents ( or close) to that. Sometimes even the Hilton AX, If I need it no meet the annual $ 20,000 theshold requirement for HHonors Gold.

Do you have any hobbies other than publicly disparaging the Thank You Program? You have made it abundantly clear over many months (both before and after the 'vulgar' devaluation), in many posts, and through many threads, that the TY Program does not meet your needs. Must we hear it yet again?

Ummm, be careful with this. It may have a place under certain circumstances, but paying 2.49% plus $20 per transactions simply to earn miles is, well, idiotic. A $1,000 payment costs $45 in fees. There is no rewards card that can consistently return 4.5% and you'd need that to just break even for your fees! You're far better simply dropping $45 (or whatever the fee would be) in a savings account. At the end of the year, you can spend the cash on your "reward" travel.

Sorry...