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What is EMV?
EMV is a standard for smart (or integrated-circuit, or chip) cards and the devices that can accept them. The standards are maintained by EMVCo and based on ISO 7816 (or ISO 14443 for contactless).

These cards come in two flavours: contact and contactless. Examples below:
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Notice the contactless indicator on the right-hand side (it looks like a sideways Wi-Fi symbol). It may also be found on the back of the card (for example, on the back of the new Costco credit card).


Where can I get a chip card?

Hawaiian717 operates a website with crowd-sourced information about various cards. You can adjust the search parameters to see cards with contactless, have PIN-primary authentication, etc.

Which businesses accept chip cards?

tmiw operates a website, also primarily crowd-sourced, that tracks chip-enabled merchants on a map. You can see if a merchant supports PIN, contactless, Quick Chip, et al.

Why doesn't my chip card ask for a PIN?

This is likely because you have a signature-preferring card. At this time, PIN-preferring cards issued in the US are rare. Not many financial institutions offer them; most of them instead provide Chip-and-Signature cards, which are programmed to prefer signature over PIN, if the card supports PIN at all.

What is the difference between Chip-and-Signature and Chip-and-PIN?

To the cardholder, the only major difference is how they authenticate themselves at the point of sale. The cardholder inserts their card as normal; instead of signing a screen or receipt, they will be asked to enter their PIN on the keypad.

[spoiler]

A few financial institutions issue some form of Chip-and-PIN credit cards or prepaid cards. Prepaid EMV cards however are not recommended due to junk fees.

Why no PIN? (cont.)
American debit cards are unique because they are psuedo-PIN-preferring cards. which may work at many automated kiosks. However, bear in mind the word may is used above is a context where there is no absolute certainty of success for certain environments such as automated kiosks due to different natures of offline and online transactions.

What is the difference between Chip-and-Signature and Chip-and-PIN? (cont.)

Most cards issued in the US are programmed to prefer signature, so save very few instances, they will prompt for a signature (unless the merchant sets a signature waiver). A PIN may be necessary in countries with mostly PIN-preferring cards when using unattended terminals (such as pay-at-the-pump or mass transit). If the card has a PIN for backup verification or ATMs, then that PIN should work. Otherwise, the card will be rejected. If the card is rejected, then either a.) the transaction must be performed by an attendant or b.) an alternative payment method will be required.

Some credit union issued credit cards will have this CVM (Cardholder Verification Method) as secondary if Chip-and-Signature cannot be done. Chip-and-PIN is the more prevalent method of authentication used outside the US, especially in transaction environments where no human interaction is needed (i.e. automated gas pumps, toll roads, train kiosks, etc.).

One chip can hold a lot more data, therefore it is capable of doing multiple verification methods. That's one of the great things about EMV over the mag-stripe which can hold very little data.

I want to know for sure what my EMV chip does. Is there anyway I can test out my own EMV card to see what the CVM list is?
alexmt has written up a nice step-by-step procedure on Post #3615.

If most of the EMV cards in the US is the Chip-and-Signature type, doesn't that mean it's still useless abroad?
Depends if you see it as glass half empty or glass half full. See Post #3 for further details on how Chip-and-Signature has worked both successfully and unsuccessfully depending on the merchant transaction environment and use your best judgment whether which one is right for you.


I don't want a chip in my card. I heard horror stories all over the media saying hackers can steal my credit card info from a mile away.


There are two types of chips. One is contactless and the other is contact. Cards can be either one or the other, or both.

In the Google Docs spreadsheet, the cards that are capable of contactless payments are listed seperately under the "RFID or NFC contactless chip" column. If it says yes, then that means it has the ability to do contactless payments. If it says no, it doesn't have that feature.

The one that the media has overhyped about hackers "stealing your information wirelessly" was the contactless type like this:

You are worried about this happening, right?

You don't have to worry. EMV is a chip standard that can have both contact and contactless interfaces. With the traditional contact interface, this means you actually have to physically insert the chip into a POS terminal for it to be authorized, like this:

With the contact interface, nothing is wireless. No data is sent out in a stand-alone contact type EMV chip. With the EMV contactless interface, data is sent wirelessly.

Furthermore, contactless chip cards are required to show a symbol (looks like Wi-Fi symbol) somewhere on the card that to denote its capability as a contactless card. For example, here's an example of a Discover Card with contactless capability (in which Discover calls "Discover ZIP") showing the contactless symbol on the back of the card:

Don't believe everything that the media says. Besides, millions of people all over the world from London to Singapore, uses contactless payments daily in extremely crowded subways and mass transit with nary any problems. There are multiple layers of encrypted securities and keys that are needed to break the code.

Frankly, giving your physical card to a waiter/waitress who takes the card out of your view is much more susceptible to fraud than contactless payments.

Why should I care?
If you are an international traveler, you will want this because majority of the world has or in the process of converting to this payment format.

In fact, in 2012, even North Korea moved to the EMV format, leaving the US as one of the countries in the world that hasn't done so.

In addition, VISA, MC, AMEX, and Discover have all agreed to incentivize the USA shifting to EMV payments by 2015 by shifting liability for fraudulent transactions to merchants if they do not have EMV equipment and the cardholder has an EMV card. So if you travel internationally or would like to get one before the others, you might be interested in getting one.


BS! I had no problems using my card in [insert whereever country], [insert whatever point in time]
If you stick to the tourist path where they have lots of visitors from the US, you should have no problems using your mag-stripe only card in hotels and restaurants, at least for now. But as things can change as things go forward.

However, consider that once you start taking the off-beaten path, go to non-touristy places where they are not familiar with mag-stripes, rent a car and use toll roads, fill up gas, or try to buy train tickets you might end up into a trouble of the machine not recognizing your card because it lacks the chip. Furthermore, a lot of toll roads, gas pumps, and automated ticket machines lack any human assistance to help you when you need it the most.

But [insert credit card company] told me all merchants that display their logo must accept them! All I have to do is report them for violating their agreements, right?
There are several factors against this.

1. You can only speak English. The merchant representative, most likely a part-time clerk earning minimum wage, speaks in a different language, let's say French. If you have no French language skills, how are you going to get your point across? Are you going to whip out your cell phone at exorbitant int'l roaming charges and hope the customer service is going to translate it for you on the spot? Or maybe you might actually know French. But how about Swahili, Farsi, Balinese, or the multiple languages in mainland China?

2. Just like US, the rest of the world's businesses uses part-time minimum wage workers as cashiers to cut down on labor costs. Most of their SOP training manuals are written by MBA types to not to do anything they are not familiar with. Do not expect them to understand the intricate details of credit card mumbo jumbo. You don't expect Taco Bell employees to understand the minute details of Discover-JCB-Union Pay agreements, right? Same thing the other way around: be respectful as a guest in their country, prepare in advance in their ways, avoid being an "ugly American" stereotype.

3. You are a guest in their country. You are a minority. If 99.9% of their country's people and other tourists from around the world uses EMV, do you really think they are going to accomodate the 0.1% of American tourists who only have mag-stripes credit cards?

4. Again, you are a guest in their country. How would you, as an American standing in line, react if a Chinese tourist was clogging up the lines at a local Taco Bell because the clerk doesn't understand the Discover-Union Pay agreement and has trouble communicating between Mandarin spoken by the tourist and English spoken by the Taco Bell clerk? Same way the other way around. You do not want to clog up the lines for everyone. The less hassle, the better.

5. VISA and MC make tons of money from merchants in that country. Say SNCF French Rail. It's a billion dollar company in France. Do you think VISA is going to pull the plug of their relationship with SNCF because SNCF refuses to do mag-stripe processing at their unmanned train station kiosk? Of course not. Be realistic.

6. And lastly, if you're up against an unstaffed toll kiosk, gas pump or train ticket machine, are you going to yell curses at the machine?

But I want my credit card to be able to be used in the US too!
No worries. They have not gotten rid of the mag-stripe on the back of the card for backward compatibility reasons, just like we still have embossed numbers on our cards for backwards compatibility to using those old carbon copy imprinters.

[insert own Hyatt card image front and back together with red arrows pointing to all the backward compatibility features]

You use the chip on the front of the card abroad (for now), and the mag-stripe just like any other card for the US. Basically, you're increasing your credit card's acceptance rate by getting a card that both via the chip and the mag-stripe. You're getting a better deal for free.

And when 2015 comes along and US switches to EMV, you'll be way ahead of everyone else too!


So why did the rest of the world and the US moved/moving toward EMV?
Primarily, due to fraud concerns. You see, the mag-stripe has been with us since the 1950s. It may have been the most high tech thing back in the day, but with the technology that is available today, any shmo can pick up a $100 USB magnetic card skimming device off of eBay and get your credit card info.

And unlike skimming off contactless cards which actually need the person to have l33t programming skills, skimming off a magnetic stripe has become so ubiquitous that nary a day goes about skimming fraud going on somewhere in America, from gas pumps, Michael's stores (2011), Target breaches (2013), restaurant waiters/waitresses, to even McDonald's drive thrus.

https://www.google.com/search?q=skimming+fraud

These type of fraud used to be prevalent in Europe. But once they started switching over to EMV starting over 2 decades ago, this type of fraud went elsewhere. It went over to Asia, Canada and Mexico, Latin America, etc. etc. until they too began implementing EMV to combat skimming fraud. The US is practically the only country left that hasn't done so, therefore all the fraud that used to take place elsewhere is now happening here.


But EMV is old and it's not fool proof. Shouldn't we just skip over it and do something new instead?
Yes, EMV is old. It was developed in the 1990s, and its smart card payment predecessor was first introduced in France. But as of today, it has become the de-facto global standard of payments.

But then, what else is there? There is no other de facto global standard of payments alternative. For example, if we decide to skip over it and do something new, hypothetically like DNA matching technology, it still means US int'l travelers will continue to have problems abroad with useless plastic acceptance because no other country is using this DNA matching technology except the US.

Besides, nothing is fool proof. You can say that the bank vault isn't fool proof because you can crack it open if enough C4 is used. But your average low-life scumbag isn't likely to get military grade C4 easily either. But the bank vault does make it harder to get the bank's money over say a petty cash box. That's the point here. EMV is akin to a security tight bank vault, the old mag-stripe is akin to a petty cash box lying around inside the drawer.


I'm a business owner and I don't think EMV is going to take off. I'm not going to spend extra hundreds of dollars to upgrade my credit card machine. Convince me other wise why I should.
I can understand the added extra cost to your business once this switchover takes place. But before even saying that, look at your existing POS terminal. Does it have a slot somewhere to insert a card?

Most likely, if you had replaced your POS terminal within the past five years, you already have an EMV capable terminal. EMV is basically just not turned on yet from the processor and acquirer side.

If you have an EMV capable terminal, then a best bet would be to contact your acquirer to have the EMV feature turned on. You did your end of the deal already by having an EMV capable terminal, it is now the acquirers' responsibility to turn it on in accordance to the EMV switchover mandate.

And if you don't, you are going to replace your POS terminal anyway from common wear and tear. It isn't a hard switch-over. You can continue to use your POS terminal until it dies out because EMV cardholders will still have the mag-stripe on the back. And by the time your non-EMV capable POS terminal is up for replacement the market will be full with these newer POS terminals that can accept the mag-stripe, EMV, as well as contactless payments.

In addition, you may also want to check with your acquirer or processor about EMV capable terminals. Some of them are willing to replace your terminal for free in preparation for the US EMV switchover. Call and ask for details.


But what's in it for me? I'm the one that has to pay for the upgrade.
All the major card networks have given incentives for merchants for the upcoming EMV switchover.

If 75% or more of your credit card transactions are done on an EMV contact and contactless terminal, they are going to waive your annual PCI-DSS fees, which usually costs you around $5.00-$19.95/month per terminal. The overall long term cost savings of those compliance fees will be larger than the cost of an one time upgrade for the terminal.

The downside is that once EMV switchover happens and if you do not have a POS terminal that is able to accept EMV, the fraud liability shifts over to the merchant.
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Old Mar 21, 2017, 9:59 pm
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Originally Posted by emmanuel_t
Pre-tap works at Wegmans because it's MSD. They would need some hackjob of Quick Chip for contactless if they wanted EMV contactless pre-tap.

I personally don't care for presenting my card early. 1. It doesn't save much time. 2. I want to make sure I'm charged the right price before presenting my card.
Then at least show a contactless symbol or something so people know you can tap!
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Originally Posted by emmanuel_t
Pre-tap works at Wegmans because it's MSD. They would need some hackjob of Quick Chip for contactless if they wanted EMV contactless pre-tap.

I personally don't care for presenting my card early. 1. It doesn't save much time. 2. I want to make sure I'm charged the right price before presenting my card.
While I understand it's the whole concept behind the user experience.

Sure you may not want to present your card before the total is calculated, but I don't want to sit awkwardly for a moment until I have to explain to the cashier I'm using my phone to pay, or that my card has contactless capabilities.

It would be nice if cashiers didn't just sit around with a clueless look on their face when you show no signs of presenting cash.

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Originally Posted by mikesyr18
While I understand it's the whole concept behind the user experience.

Sure you may not want to present your card before the total is calculated, but I don't want to sit awkwardly for a moment until I have to explain to the cashier I'm using my phone to pay, or that my card has contactless capabilities.

It would be nice if cashiers didn't just sit around with a clueless look on their face when you show no signs of presenting cash.
Why would you need to tell them your card is contactless? 99% will see a card in your hand and assume you're inserting.
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Anyway, is this indicative of impending EMV support at all?
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It sure sounds like it's Quick Chip-like:



Anyway, it's likely not implemented at many places yet (if any)--also just like QC. IMO it's reasonable to implement the above if you're going to allow people to insert while items are still being scanned; otherwise contactless is less of an improvement for customers, especially if QC's enabled.

Yes it is technically possible to pass any amount to the card and have it generate a cryptogram (If you want to play around with Cardpeek and a VISA card in Apple Pay, you can pass currency codes and amounts in the PDOL response and see the amounts show up on the phone).

In certain situations you may authorise for a higher amount and settle for a lower amount (for example, a vending machine, a fuel pump), but in these situations, the initial authorisation amount matches the cryptogram amount. I have never seen any guidance from the networks that using a generic placeholder amount is acceptable (it has been a few years since I have had access to those documents though). Also, mobile wallets like Apple Pay will show any placeholder amounts as well, which is undesirable.

The other issue is the EMV contactless transaction flows were designed under the guise that the amount is known as this can affect things like CVM processing and other values returned by the card. And issuers (well at least non-US issuers) rely on this for risk management of contactless transactions.
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Originally Posted by mikesyr18
While I understand it's the whole concept behind the user experience.

Sure you may not want to present your card before the total is calculated, but I don't want to sit awkwardly for a moment until I have to explain to the cashier I'm using my phone to pay, or that my card has contactless capabilities.

It would be nice if cashiers didn't just sit around with a clueless look on their face when you show no signs of presenting cash.
I explicitly say I'm paying by credit, and I haven't had many issues with that. They choose the tender once they know how I'll be paying.
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Also, mobile wallets like Apple Pay will show any placeholder amounts as well, which is undesirable.
I have my phone configured so that Apple Wallet shows all Amex transactions, not just Apple Pay ones. Before Costco switched to Visa, I'd see the initial authorization amount of $150 when I used the Costco gas station; a few minutes after I finished the amount in Wallet would update to show the actual amount.

My Wells Fargo Visa SMS notifications only show that there was a transaction at a Costco gas station, without the amount. Card-based transactions at normal stores include the amount in the SMS message.
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Originally Posted by Hawaiian717
I have my phone configured so that Apple Wallet shows all Amex transactions, not just Apple Pay ones. Before Costco switched to Visa, I'd see the initial authorization amount of $150 when I used the Costco gas station; a few minutes after I finished the amount in Wallet would update to show the actual amount.

My Wells Fargo Visa SMS notifications only show that there was a transaction at a Costco gas station, without the amount. Card-based transactions at normal stores include the amount in the SMS message.
Not all pumps/stations are set to do that, and even the ones that do haven't pushed the updated amount to Wallet for nearly a month now. I can see the final amount in the Amex app but the amount in Wallet is still for the auth only.

I have SMS for Capital One 360, and both the merchant name and the auth amount appears.
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Originally Posted by D582
In certain situations you may authorise for a higher amount and settle for a lower amount (for example, a vending machine, a fuel pump), but in these situations, the initial authorisation amount matches the cryptogram amount. I have never seen any guidance from the networks that using a generic placeholder amount is acceptable (it has been a few years since I have had access to those documents though). Also, mobile wallets like Apple Pay will show any placeholder amounts as well, which is undesirable.

The other issue is the EMV contactless transaction flows were designed under the guise that the amount is known as this can affect things like CVM processing and other values returned by the card. And issuers (well at least non-US issuers) rely on this for risk management of contactless transactions.
Eh, in an ~100% online environment like the US, those placeholder amounts would only show for a few seconds at most. And maybe not even that if the phone auto-detects the NFC field or if Wallet's entered through double-tapping on the Home button, since it'll go back to the lock screen as soon as the terminal finishes communications with the device.

Also, it's fairly difficult to impossible to enforce, say, a £30 contactless limit on a UK card when used in another country--at least at the card/terminal level.
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My Wells Fargo Visa SMS notifications only show that there was a transaction at a Costco gas station, without the amount. Card-based transactions at normal stores include the amount in the SMS message.
Chase is the same way, even for non-gas purchases inside. I'd have thought that they'd at least show the amount for those.
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I went to a cookie store today and tried to use a PIN preferring card. The Ingenico terminal was on a rack behind the counter, inaccessible to customers. They apparently (my guess; couldn't see the display) tried to bypass the PIN, got a declined slip and then forced fallback. I guess that's better than rejecting the card altogether but that kinda defeats the point of EMV.

On the other hand, at least I know what a fallback receipt looks like (attached).
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I went to a cookie store today and tried to use a PIN preferring card. The Ingenico terminal was on a rack behind the counter, inaccessible to customers. They apparently (my guess; couldn't see the display) tried to bypass the PIN, got a declined slip and then forced fallback. I guess that's better than rejecting the card altogether but that kinda defeats the point of EMV.

On the other hand, at least I know what a fallback receipt looks like (attached).
Hahaha, of course! That's how we roll in the U.S.

Security? Nah, just bypass the PIN to make the purchase without the cardholder's input. Why not just allow bypass on all PIN pads while were at it, like at the CIA or other sensitive areas? Better yet - Chip isn't working? Okay I'll just swipe it.

The only way PIN will work in the U.S is if the card networks have PIN priority with no fallback to signature and no waived CVV under a certain amount. At that point customers will start getting pissed off at the stupid practice of hiding the terminal away from customer accessibility.

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The Ross by my house has EMV now but doesn't have the green stickers on their terminals. They're also definitely not using Quick Chip; the EMV slot doesn't actually become live until the cashier pushes something on their end, plus cardpeek isn't showing the usual indicators of QC for that transaction.

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Hahaha, of course! That's how we roll in the U.S.

Security? Nah, just bypass the PIN to make the purchase without the cardholder's input. Why not just allow bypass on all PIN pads while were at it, like at the CIA or other sensitive areas? Better yet - Chip isn't working? Okay I'll just swipe it.

The only way PIN will work in the U.S is if the card networks have PIN priority with no fallback to signature and no waived CVV under a certain amount. At that point customers will start getting pissed off at the stupid practice of hiding the terminal away from customer accessibility.
I'm pretty sure the chip would have been used had I used a chip and signature card. Keep in mind that cards like mine are very uncommon; usually if something asks for a PIN it's because you're trying to pay with a debit card, and because of how those work the PIN can be bypassed. Why structure your operations for something that's almost never going to come up, especially when your liability isn't going to be affected by occasionally having to force fallback? (Contactless is another story, though, but since few people are bothering with that...)

Of course, the better solution is for their merchant provider to disable PIN support altogether. That at least allows EMV to be used for foreign PIN-preferring cards instead of forcing the store to perform various workarounds. I haven't seen this done too often yet but I imagine it'll become more common over time.
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Not even remotely close to understanding my point.

The point is that our country has a joke of a payment system. What is the point of having a terminal behind the counter if it's going to ask for a PIN? People should be able to run their card as debit if the terminal asks them to. These stupid merchants think it's okay to hide their payment terminals out of a customer's reach when they should instead be used by the customer. The card should never leave my hand.

The other point is the stupidity of being able to bypass a PIN. The point of the PIN is for security measures... It shouldn't be bypass-able. If you're using a chip and pin card, then that's the way it should be used...It's neither the bank's nor the cardholder's problem the equipment is hidden from the cardholder's reach. And honestly, with a chip and pin card, the merchant should be liable for fraudulent charges if it's ran as signature, whether with the chip or with a swipe.
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Originally Posted by mikesyr18
The point is that our country has a joke of a payment system. What is the point of having a terminal behind the counter if it's going to ask for a PIN?
My point is that it's not going to ask for the PIN the vast majority of the time. The question really should be: how does making the terminal accessible for customers help the business? For instance, we've all heard the stories about how people have an extremely difficult time swiping their own cards, let alone using EMV; what if not having the terminal be accessible makes lines move faster and thus earns the merchant more money?

Originally Posted by mikesyr18
People should be able to run their card as debit if the terminal asks them to.
The Federal Reserve thinks that it should be left up to the merchant for debit cards. That means a smaller merchant can force routing over the credit networks if they want, just like how Walmart et al want to force routing over the debit networks.

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These stupid merchants think it's okay to hide their payment terminals out of a customer's reach when they should instead be used by the customer. The card should never leave my hand.
Outside of certain situations (such as restaurants), does it honestly matter whether you're inserting or not if there's no PIN required? It's not like there's any protection against CNP fraud or normally any way to change the amount otherwise if one CVM is used over another.

(FWIW, I agree, but realistically it's not going to happen as much as we'd like.)

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The other point is the stupidity of being able to bypass a PIN. The point of the PIN is for security measures... It shouldn't be bypass-able.
BMO/Diners Club doesn't allow bypass, which is why it declined when that business attempted it and why they had to do fallback. I presume it's the same for UNFCU and First Tech though there haven't been any data points either way.

There are also signature-only terminals in the US (Square, for instance), which makes mandating PIN for every single transaction unrealistic at the present time. Interestingly, Square will ask for the PIN in Australia; however, it's doubtful the card networks would allow it for other markets unless forced to, so Square merchants in other countries would likely need to buy new hardware.

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It's neither the bank's nor the cardholder's problem the equipment is hidden from the cardholder's reach.
It can be the cardholder's problem if the store refuses to accept the card because of that PIN prompt. Like with US cards and unattended terminals in Europe, complaining to the issuer or the card networks isn't exactly going to be much help at the time of the transaction. It's why I'm a proponent of disabling PIN support altogether if there's no PIN pad attached to the terminal or POS. Not ideal, of course, but probably the most realistic option for the US market that ensures the least amount of hassle for our foreign visitors and the few Americans with PIN-preferring cards.

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And honestly, with a chip and pin card, the merchant should be liable for fraudulent charges if it's ran as signature, whether with the chip or with a swipe.
Mastercard/AmEx/Discover have a lost/stolen liability shift that occurs if a) the card is PIN-preferring, b) the card is run as EMV and c) the terminal doesn't support PIN. In practice, the vast majority of merchants will never have to worry about this simply due to cards being chip and signature. Even if everyone had PIN-preferring cards, most terminals can at least do offline PIN, meaning that only the merchants using Square-type terminals would have the possibility of needing to worry.

And even then, Visa doesn't have a lost/stolen liability shift. Considering that something like 40% of all cards in the US are Visa cards, even the merchants using Square might not suffer many losses from other cards. I know I never had a MC of my own until I got my Diners Club card, for instance; every other card that wasn't an AmEx or Discover was Visa for me. Everyone's different, of course.
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