DCC: Dynamic Currency Conversion (2017-2025)
#1111
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Given the choice between TWD (worth USD 1,656.80 per an independent source) or a dynamic currency conversion (DCC) rate of USD 1,918.26, presumably you chose the former.
I agree that the "15.0% Markup" language definitely seems to imply reference to the TWD price -- both by the parenthetical usage, and placement before the second option number (2). This seems a blatant attempt to steer purchasers into making the more expensive choice.

I agree that the "15.0% Markup" language definitely seems to imply reference to the TWD price -- both by the parenthetical usage, and placement before the second option number (2). This seems a blatant attempt to steer purchasers into making the more expensive choice.


Stay vigilant, my friends...
#1112



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In Peru had a new twist -- hotel would only quote me a price in dollars ($40) for a tour, but then wanted to do their own conversion to local at a rate they picked and charge me that on my card. I asked them to just charge me in soles what a Peruvian would get charged and they refused to give me a number. Not quite DCC, but...
I had that happen a couple of times in Guatemala this past summer. In one case, it was at a hotel, and at the other, it was at a shop inside the Westin Camino Real in Guatemala City. In both cases it was a negligible difference. I think in Guatemala the convention is just to quote hotel prices in USD, but then to charge in quetzales. In the case of the shop, I think they just price everything in USD because their market is foreign tourists and they assume gringos can't deal with dividing by 8 or whatever.
In other countries (Uruguay springs to mind), hotels will quote you prices in USD and then just automatically charge your card that price in USD - no currency conversion, no DCC, just a straight-up USD transaction.
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That's a very common practice all over Latin America. Prices are quoted in USD, but then the hotel converts into local currency using an exchange rate that usually varies somewhat from the "official" rate.
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In other countries (Uruguay springs to mind), hotels will quote you prices in USD and then just automatically charge your card that price in USD - no currency conversion, no DCC, just a straight-up USD transaction.
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In other countries (Uruguay springs to mind), hotels will quote you prices in USD and then just automatically charge your card that price in USD - no currency conversion, no DCC, just a straight-up USD transaction.
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It's an honest transaction, but may not be a good deal. It's buyer's responsibility to research the market, especially for a high-end item -- then negotiate accordingly.
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All over Seville and Barcelona, using Apple Pay, almost always asked EUR or US Dollars. Of course I choose Euros.
I will say its been easy to choose Euros, its not been a hassle to use an American Visa.
And, as expected, only on Visa. Amex just defaults to EUR and does not ask.
I will say its been easy to choose Euros, its not been a hassle to use an American Visa.
And, as expected, only on Visa. Amex just defaults to EUR and does not ask.
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#1118
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Travelex ATM at LHR on 12/29:
Quoted exchange rate: 1.4434 USD/GBP
Quoted markup: 12.49%
Visa exchange rate: 1.283099 USD/GBP
Actual markup: 12.49%
It was easy enough to opt out, and it was interesting that the actual markup matched the quoted markup. Historically, the actual markup has typically been higher.
Quoted exchange rate: 1.4434 USD/GBP
Quoted markup: 12.49%
Visa exchange rate: 1.283099 USD/GBP
Actual markup: 12.49%
It was easy enough to opt out, and it was interesting that the actual markup matched the quoted markup. Historically, the actual markup has typically been higher.
#1119




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During my travels, I came across a POS device that would access DCC options after tapping or chip. Then it would show a message that was too quick for me to take a picture which clearly said that only the customer can select the currency choice (for devices that are not consumer facing). Then, the two flags would show up with the local currency/country and the converted option.
I think it is a good reminder that when you protest a DCC it is about not having a choice. Although, it seems that in many cases our local issuers eat the charge difference.
I think it is a good reminder that when you protest a DCC it is about not having a choice. Although, it seems that in many cases our local issuers eat the charge difference.
#1120
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UOB ATM in Singapore
I withdrew S$100, and the DCC offer appeared as 1 SGD = 0.78181 USD (3.99%) for $78.18. There were buttons at the bottom with both SG and US flags and read, "Proceed without conversion," and "Proceed with conversion." I declined DCC, and the pending transaction showed as $75.18, which matches the 3.99% markup.
I withdrew S$100, and the DCC offer appeared as 1 SGD = 0.78181 USD (3.99%) for $78.18. There were buttons at the bottom with both SG and US flags and read, "Proceed without conversion," and "Proceed with conversion." I declined DCC, and the pending transaction showed as $75.18, which matches the 3.99% markup.
#1121
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I didn't see any additional DCC in Singapore, Thailand, or Japan although admittedly I had few data points from Thailand. I had some leftover SGD that I opted to change to THB, so outside of the hotel and two fast food restaurants I used cash. The DCC implementation at 7-Eleven ATMs in Japan remains unchanged from a year ago.
More interestingly, I was doing an AAdvantage Hotels stay at a local Hilton this week. Normally I use my Hilton AmEx, but I didn't have it on me when I checked in. The terminals there use Evalon as the payments processor, and when I tapped the Visa card a message that appeared that said something like, "Wait for DCC..." that wasn't present with an AmEx. Since this was a USD denominated card there was no way to test if DCC would appear on the preauth for a non-USD card.
More interestingly, I was doing an AAdvantage Hotels stay at a local Hilton this week. Normally I use my Hilton AmEx, but I didn't have it on me when I checked in. The terminals there use Evalon as the payments processor, and when I tapped the Visa card a message that appeared that said something like, "Wait for DCC..." that wasn't present with an AmEx. Since this was a USD denominated card there was no way to test if DCC would appear on the preauth for a non-USD card.
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Datapoint: No DCC for me in Norway this past week.
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Oh, I meant to post this but forgot, since I was in Singapore basically the same time as you 
No DCC option, but ATM convenience fees at OCBC (S$8) and Citi (S$3) which happily my account reimburses.

UOB ATM in Singapore
I withdrew S$100, and the DCC offer appeared as 1 SGD = 0.78181 USD (3.99%) for $78.18. There were buttons at the bottom with both SG and US flags and read, "Proceed without conversion," and "Proceed with conversion." I declined DCC, and the pending transaction showed as $75.18, which matches the 3.99% markup.
I withdrew S$100, and the DCC offer appeared as 1 SGD = 0.78181 USD (3.99%) for $78.18. There were buttons at the bottom with both SG and US flags and read, "Proceed without conversion," and "Proceed with conversion." I declined DCC, and the pending transaction showed as $75.18, which matches the 3.99% markup.
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Going to Ireland during the latter half of February and have been making reservations for stuff online. So far, I haven't run into any DCC with any websites that we could tell, which is a bit surprising given that Ireland's had a pretty bad reputation for DCC in the past. Hopefully in-person transactions run just as smoothly once we're there.
#1125
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I didn't encounter any DCC during my April 2023 trip with one exception at a pub where the bartender proactively pressed euros. "Don't worry. I've got ya!" The caveats are that I used an Amex for the hotels and contactless for all of the other transactions.


