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Majuki Aug 4, 2022 7:11 pm


Originally Posted by MaxVO (Post 34487148)
At this point DCC is not even a deception as everyone knows what's happening. And there are many similar taxes and fees that we likewise pay all the time.

I would say many people are still unaware what's happening with DCC based on informal observations at hotel receptions and discarded ATM receipts. Taxes (and some fees) are required. There are some fees, such as resort fees, that are a merchant cash grab. DCC is in the same category.

For smaller transaction amounts, it is about the principle, but there has got to be a threshold where most people would complain. For instance, if you had a restaurant bill of $90, paid $100 cash, and only received $5 in change, I'm sure you would speak up.

MaxVO Aug 4, 2022 7:41 pm


Originally Posted by Majuki (Post 34487255)
... there has got to be a threshold where most people would complain.

Yes, pretty much my sentiment in Post 913.

IndyHoosier Aug 5, 2022 12:26 am


Originally Posted by MaxVO (Post 34487148)
At this point DCC is not even a deception as everyone knows what's happening.

It is absolutely a deception. I would bet that the vast majority of tourists have never heard of DCC and have no idea what is happening.

lsquare Aug 5, 2022 1:08 am


Originally Posted by IndyHoosier (Post 34487682)
It is absolutely a deception. I would bet that the vast majority of tourists have never heard of DCC and have no idea what is happening.

I agree. It's not consumer friendly and quite frankly, it should be illegal.

MaxVO Aug 5, 2022 1:20 am


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 34487742)
I agree. It's not consumer friendly and quite frankly, it should be illegal.

Hell NO! By that logic any banking operation would be shut down, since they're all taking cuts without delivering goods or useful services. DCC must at least disclose the actual charge, which is not the case with bank spreads. CitiGold at one point advertised "No Fee" ForEx with free mail delivery. After some digging I learned that "Free" really meant a 10% Buy/Sell spread. And if "consumer friendly" is now a requirement, how come airport exchange offices are still in business?

miklcct Aug 5, 2022 9:10 am


Originally Posted by pgary (Post 34426911)
How did you refuse it, demanding local currency instead?

The waiter would ask if I want to pay Polish or (the other currency), or tell me to press a button on the terminal.

Majuki Aug 5, 2022 11:30 am


Originally Posted by MaxVO (Post 34487760)
DCC must at least disclose the actual charge, which is not the case with bank spreads.

What percentage of implementations are fully compliant with this? I've had terminals pop up something as terse as "35.37 USD OK?".

tmiw Aug 5, 2022 11:34 am


Originally Posted by MaxVO (Post 34487760)
Hell NO! By that logic any banking operation would be shut down, since they're all taking cuts without delivering goods or useful services.

Banks provide a safe place to store your money and also help provide a safe way to transact with it (e.g. by providing credit and debit cards). DCC, on the other hand, is only good for shoveling money into the pockets of merchants and the processors that support it.

MaxVO Aug 5, 2022 2:48 pm


Originally Posted by tmiw (Post 34488976)
... DCC, on the other hand, is only good for shoveling money into the pockets of merchants and the processors that support it.

I find this thread useful in helping fellow travelers to avoid the pitfalls of DCC or deceptive practices (if they still occur). If it loses focus or devolves into grandstanding, it would be a loss for all who reads it. When we travel we should also not lecture the locals how to run their businesses. There's nothing wrong for them to make money, especially when it doesn't affect us or we engage with them voluntarily.

Majuki Oct 18, 2022 7:42 am

I just saw DCC for a transaction in front of me at Harrods at LHR. The rate was £52.95 @ 1.1777 USD/GBP and quoted on the register as $62.37. I couldn't see whether the card was a Visa or Mastercard, so I don't know the exchange rate that would have been used. However, the markup would be close to 4% using the current exchange rate. The cashier didn't mention anything, so my guess is that the prompt appeared on the credit card terminal.

I paid with a Visa and used contactless. This avoided DCC automatically for my £35 purchase.

Points Scrounger Oct 19, 2022 6:12 am

I had only a couple of transactions (taxi and gift shop) recently in Netherlands and France, with no DCC encountered.

tmiw Oct 20, 2022 1:38 pm

Apparently you have no choice but to opt into DCC if you want to use your PayPal balance. For example, while the option to use your balance does appear if you opt to be charged in USD:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...77a6d59162.jpg

it does not appear if you opt out of DCC:

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...bfe293a16c.jpg

Probably not a new thing they're doing but figured I'd let people know.

(€129.95 is $127.03 at current exchange rates per Google, so PayPal's conversion would result in paying $133.64 - 127.03 = $6.61 extra, not taking into account the existing PayPal balance.)

Majuki Oct 20, 2022 3:57 pm


Originally Posted by tmiw (Post 34696725)
Apparently you have no choice but to opt into DCC if you want to use your PayPal balance.

While the exchange rates there are unfavorable, I imagine there's not a graceful way to do the transaction split between the PayPal balance and a card across currencies.

tmiw Oct 20, 2022 4:24 pm


Originally Posted by Majuki (Post 34697073)
While the exchange rates there are unfavorable, I imagine there's not a graceful way to do the transaction split between the PayPal balance and a card across currencies.

I'm surprised they didn't do something where they "helpfully" convert a USD balance to a EUR one (using the same poor exchange rate that DCC uses, of course).

Anyway, I don't mind transferring the balance to my bank account first. I'd probably end up with more UR points doing that, too, since the charge would be on the full amount rather than the remaining USD balance.

Zorak Nov 25, 2022 8:54 am

9% at BCN airport ATM :D

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...392f5a7ee7.jpg


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