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fifty_two Mar 24, 2022 9:52 am


Originally Posted by Majuki (Post 34070876)
some ATM operators charge almost usurious rates for using their machines.

thats usually the case with 3rd party ATM operators


Originally Posted by Majuki (Post 34070876)
There's also the practice of adding a fee only if one declines DCC, as demonstrated in this video.

Ohh , its euronet .... fun fact , they own XE.com and RiA

2 things i like with them
.
  1. they usually accept amex
  2. they signed contracts with smaller banks who dont want to invest in offices + atm , so the customers of these banks can withdraw from euronet's ATM for free
.Besides that , if i see yellow/blue colors it help me recognize them from far away , so i can avoid them and not get scammed


Originally Posted by HkCaGu (Post 34070575)
In the Dominican Republic in early February 2021, the RIU booking quoted me US$504. I arrived to sign some paper receipt large amount of DOP, and the transaction eventually posted as US$504.69. Nothing fishy there. DCC was not offered. I guess it would be stupid to present a USD amount that was obviously much higher than a reservation booking. (RIU is a Spanish company.)

In some cases in DR , you have shops where the DCC is enabled by default on the terminals , and judging by the face cashiers/bartenders do when i ask them to pay without dcc , you can be sure that consumer rights is the least of their concerns

I would simply recommend anyone to arrive in DR with cash (USD or EUR) and change it in town or withdraw big amount of DOP in one time , cause many places dont accept cards and some when they do accept card

miklcct Jul 14, 2022 4:57 am


Originally Posted by Majuki (Post 34072419)
What's worse is contactless is no longer a reliable protection against DCC. I assume you didn't have control of the terminal for the transaction?

I know this is after the fact, but in such a case I would ask the merchant to void the transaction. If the merchant refused, I'd indicate on the receipt and/or file a chargeback.

Now that international travel is picking up again we have to be vigilant for DCC for the first time in up to two years.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...260cdf5b07.jpg
This shop advertise DCC at its door

I used Google Pay to pay the bill and the terminal offered DCC which I immediately refused it.

EmailKid Jul 14, 2022 8:44 am


Originally Posted by miklcct (Post 34424603)
This shop advertise DCC at its door

I used Google Pay to pay the bill and the terminal offered DCC which I immediately refused it.

For those not familiar with Polish, loosely translated (I believe) sign says here you pay with mobile and telephone.

DCC is pretty obvious :rolleyes: :( :td:

MaxVO Jul 14, 2022 6:36 pm


Originally Posted by EmailKid (Post 34425195)
For those not familiar with Polish, loosely translated (I believe) sign says here you pay with mobile and telephone.
DCC is pretty obvious :rolleyes: :( :td:

No need for snark. The OP probably meant the other text on the door "Pay in your currency".

pgary Jul 14, 2022 6:38 pm


Originally Posted by miklcct (Post 34424603)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...260cdf5b07.jpg
This shop advertise DCC at its door

I used Google Pay to pay the bill and the terminal offered DCC which I immediately refused it.

How did you refuse it, demanding local currency instead?

EmailKid Jul 14, 2022 7:45 pm


Originally Posted by MaxVO (Post 34426907)
No need for snark. The OP probably meant the other text on the door "Pay in your currency".

Snark not intended.

Sorry you were offended.

Suspect most would not recognize Polish letters when they see them :idea:

dmapr Jul 15, 2022 9:10 am


Originally Posted by EmailKid (Post 34425195)
For those not familiar with Polish, loosely translated (I believe) sign says here you pay with mobile and telephone.

DCC is pretty obvious :rolleyes: :( :td:

You mean of course here you pay with card and telephone, right? Yes, sadly from what I've seen on this forum Poland is one of those places where DCC is rampant. I've only been there as a transit stop so never had a chance to experience it myself, but it's definitely telling that the Złoty symbol isn't even pictured, as if it weren't an option :(

EmailKid Jul 15, 2022 9:28 am


Originally Posted by dmapr (Post 34428578)
You mean of course here you pay with card and telephone, right? Yes, sadly from what I've seen on this forum Poland is one of those places where DCC is rampant. I've only been there as a transit stop so never had a chance to experience it myself, but it's definitely telling that the Złoty symbol isn't even pictured, as if it weren't an option :(

Bolding mine.

Yes, of course ......

I was in Poland several years ago, and don't recall running into DCC. Then again, I used points for the hotel (the good old days of 5K stays at IHG properties, RIP).

IIRC primarily paid cash for food except at supermarkets. And public transport accepted CCs at machine at bus / tram stop :tu:

Majuki Jul 16, 2022 12:08 am


Originally Posted by EmailKid (Post 34428632)
I was in Poland several years ago, and don't recall running into DCC.

Poland has been among the worst offenders for DCC for the past 4 or 5 years based on the reports here. There's certainly a self-selection process on FlyerTalk, but the country comes up frequently.

For instance, I just got back from 5 weeks in Australia. While DCC is definitely present in Australia these days, I never saw it by tapping my payments 100% of the time. I either used points or paid with Amex for hotels, so I didn't see DCC there either.

lsquare Jul 16, 2022 2:07 am


Originally Posted by Majuki (Post 34430416)
Poland has been among the worst offenders for DCC for the past 4 or 5 years based on the reports here. There's certainly a self-selection process on FlyerTalk, but the country comes up frequently.

For instance, I just got back from 5 weeks in Australia. While DCC is definitely present in Australia these days, I never saw it by tapping my payments 100% of the time. I either used points or paid with Amex for hotels, so I didn't see DCC there either.

So tapping is the safest way to avoid DCC in Australia? I'll be heading back to Sydney later this year and I want to use cards as much as I can. AMEX seems pretty useless outside of hotels, but no DCC at all with them?

Majuki Jul 16, 2022 5:47 pm


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 34430576)
So tapping is the safest way to avoid DCC in Australia? I'll be heading back to Sydney later this year and I want to use cards as much as I can. AMEX seems pretty useless outside of hotels, but no DCC at all with them?

Correct. Only Visa and MC are subject to DCC with MC being slightly more favorable to the consumer by having a buyer's remorse provision for DCC. By tapping my card I didn't see DCC, but I know for a fact it's been prevalent since around 2016. My first time seeing it was at a cafe in Brisbane 8 years ago (and I reported on it here in the previous thread). I've done trial transactions on previous trips where I try the same card on the same terminal via chip-and-signature, contactless with the card (no signature), and contactless via mobile device (Google pay, no signature). The DCC prompt would only appear when doing the chip-and-signature transaction, but it was easy to opt out if you were aware of what was happening. There should not be a situation in Australia where you do not control the terminal, so you can manage the DCC prompts.

The only thing unfortunately that's nearly ubiquitous these days is the 1-1.5% credit card surcharge. I justify it by using a card with no foreign transaction fee and 1.5-4.5x rewards (on a Chase Sapphire Reserve with a 50% bonus on redemptions) for the categories of my spend, so it's a breakeven in the worst case. Even at 1x, you're probably still breaking even with respect to exchange rate fluctuations.

lsquare Jul 16, 2022 11:22 pm


Originally Posted by Majuki (Post 34432257)
Correct. Only Visa and MC are subject to DCC with MC being slightly more favorable to the consumer by having a buyer's remorse provision for DCC. By tapping my card I didn't see DCC, but I know for a fact it's been prevalent since around 2016. My first time seeing it was at a cafe in Brisbane 8 years ago (and I reported on it here in the previous thread). I've done trial transactions on previous trips where I try the same card on the same terminal via chip-and-signature, contactless with the card (no signature), and contactless via mobile device (Google pay, no signature). The DCC prompt would only appear when doing the chip-and-signature transaction, but it was easy to opt out if you were aware of what was happening. There should not be a situation in Australia where you do not control the terminal, so you can manage the DCC prompts.

The only thing unfortunately that's nearly ubiquitous these days is the 1-1.5% credit card surcharge. I justify it by using a card with no foreign transaction fee and 1.5-4.5x rewards (on a Chase Sapphire Reserve with a 50% bonus on redemptions) for the categories of my spend, so it's a breakeven in the worst case. Even at 1x, you're probably still breaking even with respect to exchange rate fluctuations.

I agree and I used my CC as much as I could despite the surcharge. I even got A$50 from the ATM and never had to use it as Sydney can be mostly cashless. I hate the surcharge, but if I do break even then it's still better than having cash. The only disappointing thing is that AMEX has a very low acceptance rate. It's mostly Visa and MC.

restrictonthehanger Jul 20, 2022 11:35 am

Last month I went back to Canada for the first time in 3 years. Stopped in a Canadian TD bank near the US border and was surprised the ATM offered DCC. Very easy to decline of course. Didn't encounter DCC anywhere else on the trip , but there were plenty of signs in Niagara Falls ON stating that US$ was accepted (at a worse rate of course)

Majuki Jul 20, 2022 11:58 am


Originally Posted by restrictonthehanger (Post 34442688)
[T]here were plenty of signs in Niagara Falls ON stating that US$ was accepted...

Depending on the merchant and exchange rate it hasn't always a bad deal historically (but typically was). For instance, I'd always do a quick calculation for the Blue Water Bridge toll to see if it made more sense to pay in CAD or USD. It probably evened out in the long term, but the occasional arbitrage was fun. :D

Now with 0% FTF credit and debit cards, it's always in your interest to use local currency, either cash or card, outside of the corner cases of abrupt changes in the exchange rate.

MaxVO Jul 20, 2022 12:04 pm

Last time I visited Montreal before covid, shops there accepted USD at a better rate than the market. in any case, it's not DCC when the whole transaction is negotiable.


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