scibot

Hmm so that is NCR Optic on a Wayne pump interesting usually from what I have seen at Speedway its usually added to Gilbarco pumps. Also the certs have not come through outside which is why its blinking. Its been like that for a year or more just blinking but not enabled and Speedway says its working on ctls but no ETA at this time.

So it looks like Speedway uses the NCR Radiant gas pos system. So when EMV contactless is finally enabled inside its going to really suck as its very buggy as others have seen at Circle K and what I have seen at Kum & Go but I'm sure it will be fine outside once its finally been enabled.

tmiw

The AmEx thing has been a problem for a while, though, and that doesn't seem to have affected contactless adoption elsewhere. Also, I think the cards going away thing is a uniquely Samsung problem; I've never had such issues with Google Pay or Apple Pay.

Speaking of Samsung: https://www.doctorofcredit.com/bank-...ution-looppay/

storewanderer

Yes, Speedway uses Radiant.

Maverik uses Radiant (no EMV yet...) and has great Contactless at the pump and in the store. The one near me (in a larger town) just started to require the zip code at the pump though, but seems to be a one off situation as another few I've been to since then (all very rural locations, though) haven't done that yet. Hopefully once these gas pumps convert to EMV that will go away.

Circle K with EMV does not have EMV Contactless, still MSD.

Points Scrounger

Figures it's visa only as I use my B of A Mastercard more.

tmiw

It's also a pilot, so MC could very well be supported if this thing rolls out to all customers.

scibot

Whats interesting with Speedway is that there is no standard NCR payment screen its a grey background with Swipe or Insert Card on the screen. Yeah so very few NCR Radiant merchants such as Maverik or Kwik Trip have EMV enabled yet only Kum & Go*, Sheetz* and Circle K have contactless+EMV enabled and only ones with a * support EMV contactless with Speedway only supporting chip. I did know about Circle K having only MSD contactless since I visited one back in February 2018 and it looked just like K&G but no EMV info on receipt. On twitter I have seen people complaining about Kum & Go, Sheetz and Circle K not having working contactless at all MX915's so they could all need a software update to fix some bugs.

So I found a register without contactless support at Aldi so I had to swipe as there no chip at mine yet but the other open register had it working just fine. I visited Fresh Thyme today and they use standard NCR with MSD contactless still. Oh and Trader Joe's new chip noise is a Ukulele to go with their Hawaiian theme which is the only place to have that sound and that just shows you how quirky of a company they really are.

tmiw

Two Samsung Pay failures so far today:

1. Carrows Restaurant (CA chain; Elavon VX820 just like Coco's): declined by issuer/processor with "invalid data" after selecting "credit". EMV with the same card worked fine. I suspect this is another NFC/MST clash just like with Revel.
2. Sherwin-Williams (large PAX PIN pad that looks like a knockoff of the iSC480): "Tap Not Accepted" followed by "remove card". EMV also worked fine with the same card but I don't think there was any clashing going on.

Anyway, it's getting very difficult to justify continuing to use Samsung Pay at locations with working NFC, especially since Samsung Rewards are basically useless.

tmiw

On a more positive note, I saw this at an ARCO today: https://imgur.com/a/rEH42qx

Looks like they're officially supporting it now? (I thought they have for a while, but maybe the reliability issues have been solved.)

lordsutch

So far I have only had mixed success using contactless with my Hilton Aspire Card; tonight I tried to use it to pay at Olive Garden on their ziosk, which I've successfully used with Google Pay before, and the card would only work if I inserted it. My Costco Visa wouldn't work contactless at a Cinemark theater out in California last week; I had to insert there too. Meanwhile, at Jersey Mike's it seems like their terminals only work with some cards on Google Pay; some cards work, some don't (when Chase Freedom was offering 5% cash back on Google Pay, it wouldn't work at my local Jersey Mike's).

Hit-or-miss acceptance and broken terminals may be part of the reason there isn't a lot of clamoring for contactless even from people who have quite a few contactless cards already.

tmiw

While those are issues that need to be dealt with, the fact is that contactless cards in general still aren't widely known; the assumption is that anything using NFC is going to be a mobile device of some sort (as evidenced by the Imgur album I posted above).

storewanderer

I can't get the American Express Contactless card to work at McDonalds since the EMV Upgrade (I did get it to work ONCE there a couple months ago... same register same location does not work again now) nor can I get the American Express Contactless card to work at Walgreens anymore (it worked there at first... a couple years ago). Also can no longer get it to work at Staples since they turned on EMV Contactless (doesn't work at Office Depot either). Works fine most other places. All those grocery stores with NCR Terminals (Whole Foods, Sprouts, Save Mart, Raleys, etc.), various gas stations, etc., it works great. It is concerning to me those places where it won't work are EMV Contactless Merchants... and the card worked as MSD Contactless at those places before they went EMV.

So I kind of know where the card will and won't work... and pay accordingly. This is probably not acceptable to the average consumer.

Points Scrounger

I had an NFC rejection of American Express, I think it was, via Samsung Pay at McDonald's.

Otherwise, besides Clark's Shoes I don't recall a single Samsung Pay failure at all

AllieKat

American Express contactless is very hit-or-miss even in countries like the UK with high Amex use and high contactless use. Hasn't affected overall contactless adoption. Tbh, I think it has hurt Amex's reputation a lot tho.

tmiw

With the physical card the alternative is likely inserting it instead of tapping it, so AmEx doesn't lose much when contactless doesn't work.

On the other hand, Apple Pay not working with AmEx at a particular merchant might very well cause someone to use another card or possibly abandon using mobile wallets altogether. Hence there's a bigger motivation to have it work (and is probably why it's still MSD-only for US-issued cards).

Even with the smaller/thinner PIN pads? So far I'm hesitant to try it anywhere that doesn't use a big terminal simply because of the potential for MST and NFC to clash.

mikesyr18

They said that over two years ago. Speedway is one of those merchants that likes to data-mine.... Which is why the cashier won't leave you alone, even after you tell them you don't want a Speedy Rewards card.