Canceling credit cards: what is your strategy?
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Canceling credit cards: what is your strategy?
I have been looking over my credit report from creditkarma.com, in preparation to possibly apply for 2-3 more cards before the end of the year.
The only thing I rate a "C" on (everything else is scored as an "A") is credit history. My average credit history is 5 years.
# of current open cards: 7
Oldest open credit card: 20 years
Newest open credit card: 3 months
Current Creditkarma.com score = 760
Of these cards, I only use two of them to accumulate miles/points. The other ones are:
Card #1: 20 years
Card #2: ~10 years
Card #3: 3 years
Card #4: 2 years
Card #5: 2 years
None of these cards have annual fees. They are free if I want to keep them around. But should I cancel a few of them? (i.e. #4 and #5) to improve my credit score and decrease the # of total cards I have?
What other considerations should I make before I cancel a credit card?
Thanks for your advice!
The only thing I rate a "C" on (everything else is scored as an "A") is credit history. My average credit history is 5 years.
# of current open cards: 7
Oldest open credit card: 20 years
Newest open credit card: 3 months
Current Creditkarma.com score = 760
Of these cards, I only use two of them to accumulate miles/points. The other ones are:
Card #1: 20 years
Card #2: ~10 years
Card #3: 3 years
Card #4: 2 years
Card #5: 2 years
None of these cards have annual fees. They are free if I want to keep them around. But should I cancel a few of them? (i.e. #4 and #5) to improve my credit score and decrease the # of total cards I have?
What other considerations should I make before I cancel a credit card?
Thanks for your advice!
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I suggest you search this forum for the words "cancel" and "cancelling". Do NOT cancel cards with no ann. fee! You want to "age" your credit. The more "old" cards the better. This will help your score.
"Average credit history" is a thorn in the side of churners, like many of us on this site. My FICO is ~ 800 and would be higher if I paid ann. fees and never cancelled cards. But that's NOT going to happen. If there is a fee I cancel at 11 or 12 months.
I'd also suggest www.creditboards.com for more info.
"Average credit history" is a thorn in the side of churners, like many of us on this site. My FICO is ~ 800 and would be higher if I paid ann. fees and never cancelled cards. But that's NOT going to happen. If there is a fee I cancel at 11 or 12 months.
I'd also suggest www.creditboards.com for more info.
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Join Date: Jul 2013
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I close whatever isn't of use to me. Use might only mean "for padding utilization".
Take that with a grain of salt. CK only considers your open accounts so what they're actually providing is AAoOA. FICO looks at AAoA which inlcudes your closed accounts. Your closed accounts will typically continue to report and factor into AAoA for 10 years after closure.
What is immediatley impacted, however, is utilization since you lose available credit.
Why do you think closing them will improve your score? What factors will be improved by closing? Your score is based on the following:
http://www.myfico.com/crediteducatio...yourscore.aspx
Closing an account isn't going to increase your AAoA.
Do the math to determine what your utilization would be before and after closing. Don't rely on the CK score.
What is immediatley impacted, however, is utilization since you lose available credit.
http://www.myfico.com/crediteducatio...yourscore.aspx
Closing an account isn't going to increase your AAoA.
Do the math to determine what your utilization would be before and after closing. Don't rely on the CK score.
Last edited by takeshi74; Oct 1, 2014 at 9:32 am
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I have been looking over my credit report from creditkarma.com, in preparation to possibly apply for 2-3 more cards before the end of the year.
The only thing I rate a "C" on (everything else is scored as an "A") is credit history. My average credit history is 5 years.
# of current open cards: 7
Oldest open credit card: 20 years
Newest open credit card: 3 months
Current Creditkarma.com score = 760
Of these cards, I only use two of them to accumulate miles/points. The other ones are:
Card #1: 20 years
Card #2: ~10 years
Card #3: 3 years
Card #4: 2 years
Card #5: 2 years
None of these cards have annual fees. They are free if I want to keep them around. But should I cancel a few of them? (i.e. #4 and #5) to improve my credit score and decrease the # of total cards I have?
What other considerations should I make before I cancel a credit card?
Thanks for your advice!
The only thing I rate a "C" on (everything else is scored as an "A") is credit history. My average credit history is 5 years.
# of current open cards: 7
Oldest open credit card: 20 years
Newest open credit card: 3 months
Current Creditkarma.com score = 760
Of these cards, I only use two of them to accumulate miles/points. The other ones are:
Card #1: 20 years
Card #2: ~10 years
Card #3: 3 years
Card #4: 2 years
Card #5: 2 years
None of these cards have annual fees. They are free if I want to keep them around. But should I cancel a few of them? (i.e. #4 and #5) to improve my credit score and decrease the # of total cards I have?
What other considerations should I make before I cancel a credit card?
Thanks for your advice!
In about 7-8 years, those cards would drop off your account and your average account age would increase. Of course, you'd have added many other cards at the same time.
If you kept the cards, even as you added more cards to your account, those 5 with constantly, now and forever, be pulling your AAA up.
However, those cards also have credit tied up in them; the more credit access you have, the more banks might question why you need access to more credit, especially if you already have credit with them. I'd consider lowering the credit limits on them if you can. Even then, issuers might ask why you want more cards when you already have x number of cards with them. In short, you lose a churn-spot.
Personally, I'd keep the cards unless you have more than 2 with just one issuer (or at least an issuer you'd like to churn with).
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Thanks. I will do that. At the moment, my credit utilization fluctuates between about 4% and 11%.
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However, those cards also have credit tied up in them; the more credit access you have, the more banks might question why you need access to more credit, especially if you already have credit with them. I'd consider lowering the credit limits on them if you can. Even then, issuers might ask why you want more cards when you already have x number of cards with them. In short, you lose a churn-spot.
Personally, I'd keep the cards unless you have more than 2 with just one issuer (or at least an issuer you'd like to churn with).
So, I'm thinking maybe I should go and decrease my credit limits a bit, especially on my United Explorer card (Chase) because I'm planning on opening a few more Chase cards. What is an ideal "utilization rate"? I can increase my utilization by decreasing credit limits across my cards (especially the ones I am not currently using).
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If you churn the Hilton Visa heavily (15 for me so far) you have to close cards.
I have the NAF Whydham and NAF Arrival open now that I will also close as Barclay can be tough with credit.
I have 2 long term cards, Hilton Amex and one Hilton Visa
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Beside - Closing accounts in fact harms your credit, rather than improve your credit.
Only close it when you have a purpose.
As philemer said, many of us close accounts because of AFs and churning.
So unless you can justify the reason of the closure, don't do anything stupid.
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Leave them alone and let them age. Closing them will do nothing positive for you.
Five cards is nothing compared to many here. Yesterday I had 28 credit cards, including three issued by Amex. I applied for both the Gold Rewards charge and Gold Delta Skymiles cards last night and was instantly approved for both. I believe Amex does have a four CREDIT card limit, but that does not include charge or business credit cards. They had no issue with the fact I am using less than 1% of my $225K of available credit.
In 2013 I had two Chase credit cards. In 2014 I added three more. This year two more for a total of seven. Same story with Citi - two in 2013, four in 2014 and seven today. I have hit my maximum exposure in terms of available credit as both made me move lines from other cards with my last approvals, but no issues on keeping those old anchor cards open.
Since I got back into this game in early 2013 I had 12 cards and probably around $75K in credit. Today it is 30 cards and $225K and my FICO has gone up 50-75 points depending on which bureau/model you look at. Just keep on churning....
Five cards is nothing compared to many here. Yesterday I had 28 credit cards, including three issued by Amex. I applied for both the Gold Rewards charge and Gold Delta Skymiles cards last night and was instantly approved for both. I believe Amex does have a four CREDIT card limit, but that does not include charge or business credit cards. They had no issue with the fact I am using less than 1% of my $225K of available credit.
In 2013 I had two Chase credit cards. In 2014 I added three more. This year two more for a total of seven. Same story with Citi - two in 2013, four in 2014 and seven today. I have hit my maximum exposure in terms of available credit as both made me move lines from other cards with my last approvals, but no issues on keeping those old anchor cards open.
Since I got back into this game in early 2013 I had 12 cards and probably around $75K in credit. Today it is 30 cards and $225K and my FICO has gone up 50-75 points depending on which bureau/model you look at. Just keep on churning....