Overpay taxes to get extra miles/points?
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BA (in common with many other European carriers) adds a fuel surcharge on award tickets. In addition, departures from UK airports are subject to Air Passenger Duty (APD). BA discloses fees here...
http://www.britishairways.com/travel...e/public/en_us
There are extensive discussions of this in Miles Buzz, notably in this thread...
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...versus-aa.html
...which we probably do not need to duplicate here.
http://www.britishairways.com/travel...e/public/en_us
There are extensive discussions of this in Miles Buzz, notably in this thread...
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...versus-aa.html
...which we probably do not need to duplicate here.
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What I might do in 2010, unless folks advise me differently, is use my CC to pay more in estimated taxes in 2010 than I will ultimately owe when it comes to pay my 2010 taxes in 2011. IIRC, I've inadvertently done this in a minor way in the past with state taxes and the refund went into my back account. I'll need to check this option out more on my own, but if anyone has any further advice about this I'd welcome it. And I am aware of the extra charge for CC use to pay taxes, not to mention the opportunity costs of leaving that extra money parked in state and/or federal coffers until its refunded.
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The usual problem is if it seems you are trying to evade taxes by shifting taxable income from one year to another. If the overpayment would not meaningfully lower the total amount of taxes you would pay, there should not be a problem. The relevant regs talk about the reasonableness of the overpayment, reasonable not being a very precise standard.
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I just did some math on this scenario because I was curious since I under estimated my quarterly taxes for 09 and still have some time to make more on my 4th QTR payment. I used my SPG card as the card to use and the redemption of transferring miles to AA. And assuming you, meaning me
, are not a status member with AA, and upgrades are removed from the equations.
Let's say you owed $160,000 in taxes. With the 5k bonus on 20k transfers (transferring several times) from 160,000 points, you'd have 200,000 AA miles.
I just did a redemption flight check for 2 people from ORD>LAS>ORD and a normal rate check for the same flight. It was $3086 for first/biz class and $1662 for economy non restricted. And points wise unless I'm figuring it incorrectly, those are 80k SPG for the econ flight and 160k SPG for the first/biz flight. The redemption ratios for the SPG points come out to be 2.07% for the economy unrestricted and then 1.93% for the first/biz tickets.
So if the official payments site charges 2.35%, and if you are able to deduct all of that as a business expense, let's say at 35%, that takes the convenience charge of the official payments site to 1.53%.
And if the airline miles are "tax free" under Announcement 2002–18 (which reminds me the spg could be better than the plum if the rebate increases your tax liability), then you have come out ahead - 1.93%/2.07% - fee 1.53% = 0.40/0.54%. And do that a few years or also use your spg for more miles and you'd also be on your way towards lifetime gold (or platinum^)!
Did I figure that out correctly?
I guess then a question would be whether you would actually spend that same amount of money on the flights.
Now I gotta figure out if it's worth it and also double check with my accountant to make sure it's not gonna come back to bite me
, are not a status member with AA, and upgrades are removed from the equations.Let's say you owed $160,000 in taxes. With the 5k bonus on 20k transfers (transferring several times) from 160,000 points, you'd have 200,000 AA miles.
I just did a redemption flight check for 2 people from ORD>LAS>ORD and a normal rate check for the same flight. It was $3086 for first/biz class and $1662 for economy non restricted. And points wise unless I'm figuring it incorrectly, those are 80k SPG for the econ flight and 160k SPG for the first/biz flight. The redemption ratios for the SPG points come out to be 2.07% for the economy unrestricted and then 1.93% for the first/biz tickets.
So if the official payments site charges 2.35%, and if you are able to deduct all of that as a business expense, let's say at 35%, that takes the convenience charge of the official payments site to 1.53%.
And if the airline miles are "tax free" under Announcement 2002–18 (which reminds me the spg could be better than the plum if the rebate increases your tax liability), then you have come out ahead - 1.93%/2.07% - fee 1.53% = 0.40/0.54%. And do that a few years or also use your spg for more miles and you'd also be on your way towards lifetime gold (or platinum^)!
Did I figure that out correctly?
I guess then a question would be whether you would actually spend that same amount of money on the flights. Now I gotta figure out if it's worth it and also double check with my accountant to make sure it's not gonna come back to bite me
Last edited by lifeandmylens; Jan 7, 2010 at 5:56 pm
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If you are a business owner (I am) it should be and might be in other cases as well. I have to ask my accountant if it applies to me.
https://www.officialpayments.com/fed...93!726980945#5
Edit oops, that was the link for the personal payments, and it still says tax deductible!
https://www.officialpayments.com/fed...93!726980945#5
5. Is the convenience fee tax deductible?
Yes, the convenience fee is tax deductible. Please consult with a tax professional regarding the tax deductibility of the convenience fee as it pertains to your particular application.
Yes, the convenience fee is tax deductible. Please consult with a tax professional regarding the tax deductibility of the convenience fee as it pertains to your particular application.
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If you are a business owner (I am) it should be and might be in other cases as well. I have to ask my accountant if it applies to me.
https://www.officialpayments.com/fed...93!726980945#5
Edit oops, that was the link for the personal payments, and it still says tax deductible!
https://www.officialpayments.com/fed...93!726980945#5
Edit oops, that was the link for the personal payments, and it still says tax deductible!
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I think gallardo means the expense reduces the business's taxable profit, not that it is deductible from his personal income. The tax "savings" in this scenario is a fiction unless the business actually reports taxable net income.
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If you're paying individual taxes, then the fee may be deductible on an individual return, but only to the extent it (plus unreimbursed job expenses and investment expenses) exceed 2% of adjusted gross income.
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I probably will do it though, even if I don't use all of it for airlines. I checked some SPG properties and there are some great deals on category 2 hotels with redemption ratios of more than 3%.
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This even gets more interesting if you pay through www.payUSAtax.com where the convenience fee is only 1.95%.
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In the FAQ's, it says they do not take AX, only MC + Visa for airline rewards.
I may start using this to pay some corporate taxes as the fee is a deductible business expense. It does say that you can use it to make quarterly estimated 1040ES and 941 payments but only two times a year if I'm reading it correctly.
If the fee is 1.95% for income tax payments, that's less than the 2.3% my county charges for property tax payments with a CC.
Thanks paytaxes for this tip. Awhole new way to earn airline miles for trips!
I may start using this to pay some corporate taxes as the fee is a deductible business expense. It does say that you can use it to make quarterly estimated 1040ES and 941 payments but only two times a year if I'm reading it correctly.
If the fee is 1.95% for income tax payments, that's less than the 2.3% my county charges for property tax payments with a CC.
Thanks paytaxes for this tip. Awhole new way to earn airline miles for trips!
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The 1.95 does sound nice, I would just need to find a visa/mc that has good airline rewards 
Should be 2 per quarter, so 8 times a year.

Should be 2 per quarter, so 8 times a year.
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