Originally Posted by DTWflyer
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Meh....the ideal of me every day, day-in, day-out for the next ~15 years of rolling into the home office next to my bedroom and staring at a screen of Zoom meetings and Excel spreadsheets doesn't excite me in the least.
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Originally Posted by gruimed
(Post 32647452)
It is interesting how quickly the conversation drifted from biz travel to WFH :). I guess for many it is much more real problem. In my case, though, my job in a "normal world" requires lots of travel...hence the question.
Originally Posted by littlefish
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The question may end up be answered in a slightly different way. Who will be the new business travellers in 2021 and 2022?
Originally Posted by azepine00
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nothing stops you from doing this meeting from hotel on the beach, campsite or RV and then exploring smth new... you can rent a place anywhere your want and experience completely different lifestyle without worrying about your paycheck - it's an amazing once in a lifetime opportunity IMHO...
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Originally Posted by gruimed
(Post 32647295)
Well, on this point some actually start to realise that WFH is (at least in many cases) is not as great as originally perceived...
Originally Posted by DTWflyer
(Post 32647440)
Meh....the ideal of me every day, day-in, day-out for the next ~15 years of rolling into the home office next to my bedroom and staring at a screen of Zoom meetings and Excel spreadsheets doesn't excite me in the least.
I need to leave the house. |
Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
(Post 32647665)
Good point. People were doing this before the pandemic. More people ar doing it now. on a related note long term house rentals in california mountains, tahoe, coastline etc are very expensive and near impossible to get now |
Originally Posted by DTWflyer
(Post 32647363)
I don't mind some WFH and the flexibility, but man 100% WFH now almost 6 months in is driving me insane. If I am going to be 100% WFH through all of 2021, I may seriously reconsider my career choice after another 6-9 months of this.
I am going stir-crazy here. |
Originally Posted by azepine00
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it's an amazing once in a lifetime opportunity IMHO...
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Originally Posted by gruimed
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...if you don't have kids
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Originally Posted by azepine00
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most if not all kids are remote too here in CA...
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I have done 5 flying business trips since the beginning of June. It is refreshing walking through the Atlanta airport all by myself. Having the seat open beside me is awesome. These are both selfish though.
The Atlanta airport being dead is not sustainable. Empty seats on an airplane is not sustainable. Empty hotels is not sustainable. [mod edit] |
Originally Posted by azepine00
(Post 32647704)
before the pandemic in most places wfh had to be requested and it was usually limited to a few days a week.. there was always a perception of not beeing a team player and perhaps missing on opportunities if you were not present in person at least part time.. now all this nonsense is gone - just go and take advantage of true remote work options..
on a related note long term house rentals in california mountains, tahoe, coastline etc are very expensive and near impossible to get now It obviously depends on the person and the job. Everyone isn’t going to stop traveling and work at home. But the pandemic is happening at a time when technology, everything from broadband to computers is changing a lot. There may be a vaccine early next year or there may not be one in 5 years. I would guess much better treatments and tests are actually more likely in the short to medium term than a vaccine. This has been big enough to change things permanently. Especially when it’s happening with changes in technology and growing concern over climate change. |
To echo above, I also am going insane WFH all the time. But I’m rather extroverted and am more energized in-person. Just feels so benign having zoom calls and not working in the war room together and it really drains me (much less I’m not tied down atm and loved the alt-travel lifestyle/perks).
I do wonder if we’ll ever get back to pre-Covid habits. For those who had to travel most weeks, I don’t see that being the status quo moving forward, at least for my field where hospital clients are very cost-conscious. Honestly contemplating my exit to industry now.
Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
(Post 32647278)
Well, some is happening now. However, I’m guessing possibly sometime in 2022 before it really starts coming back. And I don’t think it will ever be completely back. Because, even if it is greatly slowed until June 2021 as you say, companies will come up with accommodations to compensate for that in the meantime. They already have. So I think a lot will be based on a decision that if they haven’t spent the money for travel for 18 months or so, why restart? Some similar decisions are being made with office space as well. I don’t think the world will be the same, even when the virus is somehow contained.
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For some, it has never stopped.....maybe slowed
$30K in airline spend and over 130 nights in a hotel so far this year..... For those wondering what I do: I keep your lights on...... |
Originally Posted by rubey419
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To echo above, I also am going insane WFH all the time. But I’m rather extroverted and am more energized in-person. Just feels so benign having zoom calls and not working in the war room together and it really drains me (much less I’m not tied down atm and loved the alt-travel lifestyle/perks).
I do wonder if we’ll ever get back to pre-Covid habits. For those who had to travel most weeks, I don’t see that being the status quo moving forward, at least for my field where hospital clients are very cost-conscious. Honestly contemplating my exit to industry now. Just out of curiosity who would be the folks back to flying part time or regularly right now? I do have a friend in tech implementation who has to fly as a SME, but in my world of healthcare consulting everyone is grounded until further notice. Which makes sense since there’s no reason for us to be adding additional risk to the hospitals right now. |
My company is a Big4 consultancy firm, and we won't have significant business travel before autumn 2021.
And even then on much reduced levels compared to the last 3 years. MS Teams simply works - and we have travelled a lot before. |
It seems to be resuming in my area, most people I know that used to do business travel on a regular basis are now back on the road. The obvious factor that delays full resumption are various border restriction that make some trips (e.g. intercontinental) impossible. Luckily I'm currently in a place that has very liberal border policy, so at least returning from the trip is easy & smooth. Another issue is that the willingness to travel is even lower than it used to be due to various restrictions and measures that are in place in travel and hospitality industries - in other words, travel sucks right now and no one's rushing to take a plane in current "war" conditions. Much more thought is given to whether the particular trip is really useful. I certainly feel that business travel is picking up much faster in locations which are back to business as usual, while online solutions are being preferred for places where many restrictions are still in place.
Finally, some of business travel will never return. I'm definitely not in the crowd that claims that everything can be done via Zoom - personal contact is important and business travel will continue to grow to facilitate it. However, over last couple of years I've heard many people complain about being forced to do pointless trips just because someone's in the management is conservative and insists on doing business the same way he did 25 years ago. This pandemic proved that some meetings can be easily done without flying an employee across Europe just to attend an hour long consultation with his boss. |
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