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Kacee Oct 17, 2015 8:04 am


Originally Posted by keitherson (Post 25576869)
I wonder if Copa will catch on to people abusing the program for upgrades like this.

Probably. Just as they seem to have (finally) figured out the status match abuses.

They seem a bit naive about the entire FFP thing.

aza72 Oct 17, 2015 9:30 am


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 25577660)
Probably. Just as they seem to have (finally) figured out the status match abuses.

They seem a bit naive about the entire FFP thing.

It seems like less of an abuse than, say UA golds who status match to get UA club access then never fly CM.

They can also just let it run its course - since people who status match in and fly copa will need to credit to copa to maintain status, those who don't lose status in Feb 2017.

Given the relative upgrade potential, if you say fly 25K a year 80%UA 20%CM, it might be more valuable to go for CM Prefer Silver than UA Premier Silver since UA Silvers basically never get upgraded.

Kacee Oct 17, 2015 11:54 am


Originally Posted by aza72 (Post 25577948)
It seems like less of an abuse than, say UA golds who status match to get UA club access then never fly CM.

It's pretty similar. CM has to pay UA for the UA miles that people are earning on the tickets where they switch FF# after getting the CM upgrade. I guess CM is getting some ticket revenue, but by definition these are economy tickets we're talking about.

aza72 Oct 17, 2015 3:29 pm


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 25578445)
It's pretty similar. CM has to pay UA for the UA miles that people are earning on the tickets where they switch FF# after getting the CM upgrade. I guess CM is getting some ticket revenue, but by definition these are economy tickets we're talking about.

Good point. And they are paying based on miles flown not ticket price, and they also don't prioritize upgrades based on fare class like UA.

I'm interested to see if they keep offering such great deals now that their stock is recovering from the nearly 60% drop it suffered over the summer.

SkyWorld Oct 17, 2015 5:45 pm


Originally Posted by Viajero Millero (Post 25573642)
It looks like they have unofficially stopped matching for the time being. And plan to offer some kind of revamped match/challenge around the end of the year.

Source: multiple reports from readers.

True. I just got an email from them saying they've stopped and will come up with some other way of doing this. Said I should contact them again at the end of the year.

keitherson Oct 18, 2015 1:58 pm


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 25578445)
It's pretty similar. CM has to pay UA for the UA miles that people are earning on the tickets where they switch FF# after getting the CM upgrade. I guess CM is getting some ticket revenue, but by definition these are economy tickets we're talking about.

The airline can afford the hit: because these business seats would otherwise be empty most likely. It likely will have nil impact on costs. While there are fliers that would abuse the *G privileges for domestic lounge access, some people will fly Copa and will never have considered them before.

What it screws over though are the actual frequent fliers with Copa who credit their miles to them. They have to compete against elites who are there just for the upgrades. In other words, it devalues the FFP. This is less of a problem in other status match programs where there are no upgrades involved. But this should all be over in 2017 when most expire.

Kacee Oct 18, 2015 6:59 pm


Originally Posted by keitherson (Post 25582472)
It likely will have nil impact on costs.

You're forgetting that CM has to purchase the UA miles from UA (as opposed to just giving away its own). So these little FF# games will necessarily have an effect on CM's costs.

aza72 Oct 18, 2015 8:18 pm


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 25583292)
You're forgetting that CM has to purchase the UA miles from UA (as opposed to just giving away its own). So these little FF# games will necessarily have an effect on CM's costs.

Additionally since they are clearing upgrades before buy-ups, which start at $200 per leg, they are forgoing real revenue on the upgrades.

Any sense on how much this is? Looking at financial statements for some other airlines, it looks like about half a cent per mile which would be only tens of dollars per flight.

jonk Oct 18, 2015 8:20 pm


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 25583292)
You're forgetting that CM has to purchase the UA miles from UA (as opposed to just giving away its own). So these little FF# games will necessarily have an effect on CM's costs.

i wonder, and i guess this isn't just re CM, but is it cheaper for them to buy the miles when we credit to partners, or use their own miles to get an award ticket on a partner?

Kacee Oct 19, 2015 12:05 am


Originally Posted by jonk (Post 25583502)
i wonder, and i guess this isn't just re CM, but is it cheaper for them to buy the miles when we credit to partners, or use their own miles to get an award ticket on a partner?

There's an element of speculation here, but I'm pretty sure the actual cost is will be higher to purchase miles from another carrier. There's going to be a pretty significant breakage allowance for their own miles (i.e., allowance for miles that are never used). And their *A redemption chart is not particularly generous.

smit0847 Oct 20, 2015 12:03 am


Originally Posted by Maku (Post 25572893)
I've tried matching my AirBerling Gold first, got a reply that they don't match with that airline, send my AirFrance card (also gold) and got same response, called them, was told that they only match with the airlines from the region, so I send them my American Airlines Platinum Card and the account statement screenshot. Two weeks later and still no reply.

My girlfriend send the American Airlines Platinum Card and was matched in 6 days. I have no idea what's going on with them and to be honest - I'm not gonna try anymore.

Why didnt you just send in your AA card to begin with?!

Maku Oct 20, 2015 7:11 am


Originally Posted by smit0847 (Post 25589079)
Why didnt you just send in your AA card to begin with?!

Well, to be honest: I'm quite a lazy person, and as I don't use the physical card that much I had it at somewhere the bottom of "that one drawer" we all have. On the other hand the other two cards I had already scanned for various reasons so well, I just went with them.

Flying Machine Oct 27, 2015 4:44 pm

CPU Z Class
 
Since CM uses Z Class for CPU's, does anyone know how to search for the fare class like "expert mode" on UA? I have a trip next week and curious to know how things look.. Thanks and Safe Travels

jonk Oct 27, 2015 4:52 pm


Originally Posted by Flying Machine (Post 25624697)
Since CM uses Z Class for CPU's, does anyone know how to search for the fare class like "expert mode" on UA? I have a trip next week and curious to know how things look.. Thanks and Safe Travels

I've used ExpertFlyer for this -- they have a 5 day trial of you're not a member.

DarrenChannel Oct 27, 2015 6:48 pm


Originally Posted by Flying Machine (Post 25624697)
Since CM uses Z Class for CPU's, does anyone know how to search for the fare class like "expert mode" on UA? I have a trip next week and curious to know how things look.. Thanks and Safe Travels

What I've noticed in looking at Copa's Z class in ExpertFlyer is that it seems to always show zero availability, at least on the flights I've been on in the past three months. I've seen this over a week in advance, and even just in the days before a flight.

But, I'm 18/18 so far on upgrades under the ConnectMiles program, so it doesn't seem to be an issue. Sometimes, I've gotten upgrade notice 72 hrs in advance (I've got Platinum status), but other times it's barely over 24 hrs. I haven't figured out yet how Copa manages this inventory.


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