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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:00 pm
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Originally Posted by iahphx
Yeah, the aircraft is apparently very cost-efficient for short haul service -- much cheaper than operating an RJ over short distances. When fuel was going to the moon, the cost difference was huge.

The problem has been with the reliability of the aircraft, which will get a lot of scrutiny in the next few days.
To be fair here, it was mostly with SAS and landing gear as far as I know, not conditions of icing being a major problem(if that turns out to be a major factor)
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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:00 pm
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Originally Posted by speedster1978
Could heavy icing on approach, with flaps extended, and the plane already slowing way down, cause it to be too heavy for the speed it was going, resulting in loss of lift and the crash?
Icing could reduce lift or also jam flaps and cause stall.

I really hate to speculate but it sounds like a stall perhaps due to lost lift.
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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:01 pm
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Originally Posted by sna430
I am being to wonder if an Elite status is worth all our crazy leisure flights.
Aw, you know you're just as likely to be killed driving to the mall.

Commercial flying is unbelievably safe these days, even if there's been a bad run of luck the past month.
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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Steph3n
To be fair here, it was mostly with SAS and landing gear as far as I know, not conditions of icing being a major problem(if that turns out to be a major factor)
Yes, all SK Q-400 problem were only landing gear-related.

Also, Dash 8 has been around for a long time and is well known to operate safely in cold, icy conditions.
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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:02 pm
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Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1
Icing could reduce lift or also jam flaps and cause stall.

I really hate to speculate but it sounds like a stall perhaps due to lost lift.
The aircraft was at 5000 feet when communications were lost. I assume that is insufficient altitude to recover from a stall?
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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:02 pm
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Our local is saying that it appears to be machanical not weather related...
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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Plato90s
I don't think it's very good business for CO to remind people prominently about a crash, do you?
Most airlines keep a "dark site" at the ready in the event of an accident.
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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:02 pm
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If icing turns out to be a factor, there may be similarities to the conditions that caused the American Eagle ATR-72 crash in Indiana in 1994.
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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:03 pm
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Originally Posted by speedster1978
Could heavy icing on approach, with flaps extended, and the plane already slowing way down, cause it to be too heavy for the speed it was going, resulting in loss of lift and the crash?
Not the "too heavy" part, but definitely the "loss of lift" part.
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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Plato90s
I don't think it's very good business for CO to remind people prominently about a crash, do you?
On the other hand, it would not be appropriate to push for sales and other stuff when families and friends go to the website for the latest information.

When SQ 6 crashed a few years ago and on 9/11, the airlines replaced their home pages.
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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:04 pm
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Devastating...
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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:04 pm
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Originally Posted by tad73
Our local is saying that it appears to be machanical not weather related...
wow just wow, who needs a NTSB when the local news people are on the case.
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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Plato90s
I don't think it's very good business for CO to remind people prominently about a crash, do you?
It's considered poor manners to continue "business as usual" after a crash. Even US -- known more for their willingness to advertise than than their good taste -- ran a very sober website for a couple days after 1549 (when nobody died). Somebody should wake up somebody in Houston and pull the ads.
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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:05 pm
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Originally Posted by PTravel
The aircraft was at 5000 feet when communications were lost. I assume that is insufficient altitude to recover from a stall?
Again, it's all total speculation. It is certainly possible to recover from a stall at 5,000 ft (you can recover from a gentle stall at 200 ft).

But if the ac went into some kind of terminal stall it really doesn't matter what altitude they were at.

But we have to stop speculating because there is not enough information.
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Old Feb 12, 2009, 11:06 pm
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Oops just misread the site
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