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Steph3n Dec 10, 2008 8:53 pm

Snow at IAH
 
Snowing in Houston according to the news! Very interesting this time of year. Glad I am home today till the weekend anyway.

Kaeokai Dec 10, 2008 9:01 pm

Yeah, lucky I'm in HNL.

Although I will be in TX Saturday...:eek:

SFO777 Dec 10, 2008 9:04 pm

Is there even de-icing capability at IAH?

baglady Dec 10, 2008 9:05 pm

It's quite beautiful. In my six years here, it's my first snow (I missed the Christmas snow three? years ago).

baglady Dec 10, 2008 9:06 pm


Originally Posted by SFO777 (Post 10890900)
Is there even de-icing capability at IAH?

I don't think de-icing will be necessary.

willdietrying Dec 10, 2008 9:06 pm

I wouldn't want to be there!
 
Snow in Houston. That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Good luck.

SuperG1955 Dec 10, 2008 9:14 pm

It was 65 F at EWR today.

Steph3n Dec 10, 2008 9:15 pm

3 inches of snow just north of Hosuton(in area of IAH!) amazing!

coairtul Dec 10, 2008 10:36 pm

I am so happy I was not working today out to off times were running three to four hours. Take a look at CDG and LHR, we stayed in a ground stop until about 10:30pm for Continental Flights only due to gate space and taxi times..

ssullivan Dec 10, 2008 10:43 pm


Originally Posted by baglady (Post 10890904)
I don't think de-icing will be necessary.

If there's frozen precipitation falling, you can be assured they're probably deicing.

szg Dec 10, 2008 10:56 pm

It's winter time, so it's OK to get snow now !! :D

coairtul Dec 10, 2008 11:00 pm


Originally Posted by SFO777 (Post 10890900)
Is there even de-icing capability at IAH?

We have a few but I have no idea the number. I do remember a few months back seeing about five of them lined up by the hanger.

GeneDoc Dec 10, 2008 11:04 pm

My flight was deiced at IAH Wed night. Was pretty quick, we took a 20 minute delay. Snow was very light at that point.

Weatherboy Dec 10, 2008 11:29 pm

Help! Trapped on CO1676
 
Been stuck in the ramp area for 4 hours waiting for deicing --our wings are covered in snow/ice. Pilot said we may be trapped out here for 3+ additional hours; only 1 deicing truck available and it keps running out of fluid/fuel.

IAH-PHL travel time gate to gate is expected to be 10 hours in 737-900 :( heellpppp

speedster1978 Dec 11, 2008 7:28 am

I flew in last night on 1711, we were ground stopped in McAllen at first, supposed to be a 3 hour delay, then they lifted it and we left only an hour later then supposed to...

Flying home in the snow was quite cool, the flakes seemed larger than any others I've seen... maybe the flying through it at 500mph made it seem bigger... but it's all good :)

Arriving at the Park n Fly, was funny to see my truck covered in a few inches of snow, see it all the time in other cities, just weird to see snow in your home town :)

Bonehead Dec 11, 2008 7:53 am

Check this out
 
Right Now for
New Orleans, LA

Snow
33°F
Feels Like
24°F
Updated: Dec 11 08:45 a.m. CT

SFOTerry Dec 11, 2008 8:10 am

Deicing last night at IAH was a total mess. We were scheduled to depart at 6pm, and were delayed about 2.5 hours. At first, only 1 truck/deice-pad was operating, so planes on that runway got serviced in decent time. But we were waiting at the other runway and the truck didn't show for about 2 hours. :(

All in all, It seems like others fared much worse.

I suppose this isn't required at IAH very often.

bernsa Dec 11, 2008 8:11 am

I feel sorry for those trapped on 1676. I was trapped on 1776. The big difference - our flight was quite empty and so the atmosphere was much more bearable. I contemplating trying to jump on 1676 but it looked like a total mad house at the gate and decided an empty but later plane would be far more pleasant.

Scheduled Departure: 7:15PM
Scheduled Arrival: 11ish PM
Boarded: 9:15 PM
Pushed Back: 11:30PM?
De-iced and took off at 3:30AM
Landed at 7:20AMish

So time butt was in seat if I have math correctly was just shy of 9 hours.

We had a bit of a party atmosphere in the front of the first class section for the first few hours, but after a few drinks, one of the guys up front started to get a bit grouchy which killed the mood.

Flight crew was fantastic: Did everything in their power to make us comfortable; the pilot kept coming back through the plane and would talk one-on-one with us.

But boy was IAH one big giant ClusterF* last night.

Steph3n Dec 11, 2008 8:17 am

I can't say I am surprised it is exactly what I'd expect when getting such snow at IAH.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Dec 11, 2008 8:50 am


Originally Posted by SFOTerry (Post 10891751)
I suppose this isn't required at IAH very often.

Once a decade or so. I'm surprised we've had another snow so soon after the last one (just a few years back over Christmas). Given how rare it is, it probably wouldn't be cost-effective to invest lots of money in de-icing equipment for IAH.

SamMarkand Dec 11, 2008 9:08 am

If CO needs heat to melt any ice or snow, have that excellent bartender at the North C-concourse PC make a giant batch on his volcanic Bloody Marys. The heat from one of them would melt 1,000 square miles of yard-deep snow!

happy_spg_plat Dec 11, 2008 3:08 pm

My worst night ever of flying in my history with Continental. Sat for 7 hours on plane and was finally cancelled with no help to find a place to sleep!

Full rundown: http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost....2&postcount=39 :mad:

dvs7310 Dec 11, 2008 7:33 pm

When I flew into IAH this morning the airport was a mess... Looks like CO had to cancel a bunch of flights yesterday and had crew issues do to late arrivals at the outposts last night.

There were planes parked all over the tarmac, everywhere you could find to stick a plane. Saw everything from ERJ's to 767's sitting around from the mess.

Inside the terminal was worse... oh, I felt bad for people... there were a ton of people sleeping on benches and the floors from what must have been last nights cancelled flights.

I have to give a lot of credit to the Elite desk today as I was scheduled on the 7am today out of MCI but I got a flight notification on my phone at 1:30am saying 1hr 46 delay because of crew (they arrived at MCI 4 hrs late last night). I checked and the 6am was on time but showed only 1 seat left in Worldspan. I called up and the CSR switched me to the 6am flight with no problems... saved my whole day becasue it would have been one misconnect after another if I got into IAH that late.

GeneDoc Dec 11, 2008 8:56 pm

Wow, didn't realize how lucky I was to get out. Was on the 5:17 departure to BWI--we left about 20 minutes late and made up most of the time... Sorry to hear all the misery here. Of course I may get my comeuppance tomorrow as snow's predicted here in the DC area.

farenthold Dec 11, 2008 9:46 pm

2 flights IAH - CRP didn't make it last night. Xiled due to WX. That was a mess for crp as 2 early am flights had no planes. according to gate agent this morning, she watched the 11p arrival come in as she arrived at works at 3:45a. fortunantly, I was on 10A departure. My friend who was booked on the 8a flight was on my 10a flight because her plane stayed in houston.

We live in Texas because we do not like snow.

tex1899 Dec 12, 2008 8:10 pm

My brother was on the last flight out to JAN...I believe he said his flight finally left after 1am. We swapped flight horror stories tonight. I've always been fortunate enough to not be on the plane but instead stuck at the terminal.

CObigtimefan Dec 2, 2009 12:36 pm

I've got a connection through IAH on Fri, and it is forcasted to snow. I can't re-route (going to GUA). Have there been improvements since last year's nightmare with de-icing?

[Being based in DEN where snow is common, I'm affraid of snow in Houston.]

Steph3n Dec 2, 2009 12:41 pm


Originally Posted by CObigtimefan (Post 12913459)
I've got a connection through IAH on Fri, and it is forcasted to snow. I can't re-route (going to GUA). Have there been improvements since last year's nightmare with de-icing?

[Being based in DEN where snow is common, I'm affraid of snow in Houston.]

I hear they have the keys to the deicing truck out and ready this year ^

wcalvert Dec 2, 2009 1:18 pm

So glad I'm fyling to HNL on Thursday and not Friday :)

Getting back next Tuesday, so I won't have to worry about the back side of the storm either. It'll probably be back to being 65 by then.

Scott6067 Dec 2, 2009 2:02 pm


Originally Posted by CObigtimefan (Post 12913459)
I've got a connection through IAH on Fri, and it is forcasted to snow. I can't re-route (going to GUA). Have there been improvements since last year's nightmare with de-icing?

[Being based in DEN where snow is common, I'm affraid of snow in Houston.]

They probably wont re-route people until Friday. Perhaps they could route you to LA on UA and then catch CO LAX-HNL-GUA?

CO_Nonrev_elite Dec 2, 2009 2:08 pm

I've been in Houston for the last three days, and I haven't seen any snow at all. I also drove out to IAH at noon today, no sign of snow, it's just a cold crisp day.

Mackieman Dec 2, 2009 2:18 pm


Originally Posted by CO_Nonrev_elite (Post 12914060)
I've been in Houston for the last three days, and I haven't seen any snow at all. I also drove out to IAH at noon today, no sign of snow, it's just a cold crisp day.

Snow doesn't happen like that in Houston, or most of Texas for that matter. It is forecast to occur Friday, which means that it likely will not happen and if it does, it will be light.

Or it will be apocalyptic. Time will tell. :-:

CO_Nonrev_elite Dec 2, 2009 2:21 pm

It is forecast to occur Friday, which means that it likely will not happen and if it does, it will be light.
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Earlier in the thread there are people saying that they have 3 inches of snow in Houston. I can't see any sign of any

Mackieman Dec 2, 2009 2:24 pm


Originally Posted by CO_Nonrev_elite (Post 12914140)
Earlier in the thread there are people saying that they have 3 inches of snow in Houston. I can't see any sign of any

Right, check the date on those posts. They're talking about the storm from 2008. ;)

hoffmanj Dec 2, 2009 2:24 pm

Check the dates on the postings... (beat me to it!)

HobokenFlyer Dec 2, 2009 2:32 pm

Will Customer Al Gore, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
 
Can't beat that global warming. Tell Exxon in Baytown to turn the refinery onto HIGH.

- HF

marklyon Dec 2, 2009 2:39 pm

HobokenFlyer: That's an excellent di-icing solution, make a low flyby of a flare tower... :)

Mackieman Dec 2, 2009 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by marklyon (Post 12914235)
HobokenFlyer: That's an excellent di-icing solution, make a low flyby of a flare tower... :)

Airframe corrosion is a nasty side effect of that deicing method. :o

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Dec 2, 2009 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 12914121)
Snow doesn't happen like that in Houston, or most of Texas for that matter. It is forecast to occur Friday, which means that it likely will not happen and if it does, it will be light.

Or it will be apocalyptic. Time will tell. :-:

From what I've read on Weather Underground (from folks more knowledgeable than I about weather matters), both the NAM and GFS models indicate heavier precip on the North side of Houston (primarily on the NW Side). Apparently, that would be indicative of significant accumulations (an inch or so). If it happens, that's the sort of snow event that hits Houston once every 30 or so years (I haven't seen an inch or so accumulate near the airport since the 80s). The Christmas Eve snow of 2005 and last year's Snow barely dusted the North Side. It was areas around Sugarland and Baytown that got dumped on for those.

From what I've read, there's supposed to be an upper-level low approaching S.E. Texas on Friday morning, and the precip associated with it will be riding through a solid column of cold arctic air that the frontal boundary currently over North Texas is dragging into the state. Thankfully, the solid column of cold air will likely mean that there won't be much in the way of ice/sleet.

Not unheard of for a low near the moisture-rich Gulf and a blanket of arctic air to create impressive snowfall totals along the Texas coast. A similar set-up in 2005 resulted in areas around Victoria (closer to Corpus Christi than Houston) receiving about 14" of snow. IIRC, it topped their all-time one-day snowfall totals by about a foot. When I was in Corpus Christi for the August Baseball DO, there were shops selling postcards showing the Palm-lined shore of the bay buried under about 3" of snow. :eek:

Still 48 hours out, so definite forecasts are too hard to pin down at the moment, but there's definitely some support in the models for a decent amount of snow on the North side of town.

Latest NWS Discussion:

Code:

FRIDAY:
A COMPLICATED FORECAST IS ON TAP AND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
SCENARIOS COULD PLAY OUT. AN UPPER LEVEL TROUGH WILL APPROACH
TEXAS FRIDAY MORNING. WINDS ALOFT WILL BECOME SOUTHWEST AND OVER
RIDE NORTHEAST SURFACE WINDS. PRECIPITATION WILL DEVELOP EARLY
FRIDAY AS LIGHT RAIN. THE THERMAL PROFILE WILL COOL QUICKLY AND
THE RAIN WILL CHANGE TO SNOW. MAX TEMPS WILL OCCUR IN THE MORNING
AND FALL THROUGH THE DAY. FORECAST SOUNDINGS ARE IN GOOD
AGREEMENT THAT THE THERMAL PROFILE WILL BE COLD ENOUGH TO SUPPORT
SNOW. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MODELS IS IN THE
AMOUNT OF AVAILABLE MOISTURE. THE CAN/ECMWF AND UKMET ALL FAVOR
KEEPING THE MOISTURE CLOSER TO THE COAST WITH LIGHT QPF TOTALS.
THE GFS AND NAM ARE FURTHER INLAND WITH SOME HEAVIER QPF TOTALS.
FORECAST SOUNDINGS SHOW AVAILABLE MOISTURE BETWEN 0.7-0.8 INCHES
WHICH IS RATHER ROBUST IN THIS TYPE OF AIR MASS. ALSO THE MODELS
SHOW A DECENT JET COUPLET AT 300 MB. SOUTHEAST TEXAS WILL LIE IN A
RRQ OF THE POLAR JET AND IN A LFQ OF THE SUB TROPICAL JET. THIS
SHOULD ALSO ENHANCE LIFT OVER THE AREA. THE JET DYNAMICS WILL BE
IMPRESSIVE AND COULD ACTUALLY BE THE KEY TO DETERMINING HOW MUCH
PRECIPITATION WILL FALL. BOTH THE GFS AND ECMWF HAVE SHOWN GOOD
RUN TO RUN CONSISTENCY BUT NEITHER MODEL HAS AGREED WITH THE
OTHER. IF THE ISENTROPIC UPGLIDE IS AS STRONG AS THE GFS/NAM
INDICATES...SNOW WILL ACCUMULATE. IF THE WEAKER ISENTROPIC UPGLIDE
PER THE ECMWF IS CORRECT...ONLY FLURRIES SHOULD BE EXPECTED. DUE
TO THE UNCERTAINTY...WILL REFRAIN FROM ISSUING ANY WINTER WEATHER
WATCHES OR ADVISORIES. THIS IS A DEVELOPING WINTER WEATHER
SITUATION AND THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF UNCERTAINTY. KEEP UP WITH
THE FORECASTS!

MIN TEMPS ON SATURDAY MORNING WILL BE THE COLDEST OF THE SEASON. A
FREEZE WARNING WILL BE REQUIRED FOR SAT AM OVER THE ENTIRE CWA.
ONLY THE IMMEDIATE COAST WILL BE SPARED FREEZING TEMPERATURES. LOW
TEMPS WILL FALL INTO THE LOWER AND MID 20S OVER MOST OF THE
REGION. A BRIEF WARM UP IS IN STORE FOR SUNDAY BUT TEMPS WILL
REMAIN BELOW CLIMO. ANOTHER S/WV TROUGH WILL CROSS THE SOUTHERN
PLAINS ON SUNDAY AND BRING A CHANCE OF SHOWERS TO THE REGION. THE
FIRST PART OF NEXT WEEK LOOKS QUIET WITH COOLER THAN NORMAL
TEMPERATURES AS THE FLOW ALOFT GOES ZONAL. 43


Mackieman Dec 2, 2009 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12914258)
From what I've read on Weather Underground (from folks more knowledgeable than I about weather matters), both the NAM and GFS models indicate heavier precip on the North side of Houston (primarily on the NW Side). Apparently, that would be indicative of significant accumulations (an inch or so). If it happens, that's the sort of snow event that hits Houston once every 30 or so years (I haven't seen an inch or so accumulate near the airport since the 80s). The Christmas Eve snow of 2005 and last year's Snow barely dusted the North Side. It was areas around Sugarland and Baytown that got dumped on for those.

From what I've read, there's supposed to be an upper-level low approaching S.E. Texas on Friday morning, and the precip associated with it will be riding through a solid column of cold arctic air that the frontal boundary currently over North Texas is dragging into the state. Thankfully, the solid column of cold air will likely mean that there won't be much in the way of ice/sleet.

Not unheard of for a low near the moisture-rich Gulf and a blanket of arctic air to create impressive snowfall totals along the Texas coast. A similar set-up in 2005 resulted in areas around Victoria (closer to Corpus Christi than Houston) receiving about 14" of snow. IIRC, it topped their all-time one-day snowfall totals by about a foot. When I was in Corpus Christi for the August Baseball DO, there were shops selling postcards showing the Palm-lined shore of the bay buried under about 3" of snow. :eek:

Still 48 hours out, so definite forecasts are too hard to pin down at the moment, but there's definitely some support in the models for a decent amount of snow on the North side of town.

Aye, I agree with you (and the NWS folks) but allow me to interject these ideas: NWS forecast for SAT/AUS/DRT include snow over the Hill Country and some decent chance here in AUS on Friday morning. It is scheduled to taper off as the day progresses, which means I don't think IAH will see as much.

But also, I am a nerd who enjoys weather and by no means an expert at reading GFS or NAM. It'll be interesting either way.


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