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Anglo Large Clawed Otter Dec 2, 2009 2:50 pm


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 12914287)
Aye, I agree with you (and the NWS folks) but allow me to interject these ideas: NWS forecast for SAT/AUS/DRT include snow over the Hill Country and some decent chance here in AUS on Friday morning. It is scheduled to taper off as the day progresses, which means I don't think IAH will see as much.

But also, I am a nerd who enjoys weather and by no means an expert at reading GFS or NAM. It'll be interesting either way.

My reading of the progression was that the upper-level low that would interact with the arctic air would be tracking West to East. Since the earlier NWS discussion talked about snow beginning in NW Houston on late Friday morning, that would make sense. The low would track over us by Friday afternoon/evening, as most of the snow tapered off in the Hill Country.

CObigtimefan Dec 2, 2009 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by Scott6067 (Post 12914022)
They probably wont re-route people until Friday. Perhaps they could route you to LA on UA and then catch CO LAX-HNL-GUA?

I'm going to GUA not GUM; though I'd love a free routing to the islands... :)

Mackieman Dec 2, 2009 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12914309)
My reading of the progression was that the upper-level low that would interact with the arctic air would be tracking West to East. Since the earlier NWS discussion talked about snow beginning in NW Houston on late Friday morning, that would make sense. The low would track over us by Friday afternoon/evening, as most of the snow tapered off in the Hill Country.

I'm waiting for the 4PM discussion release from our NWS office. They issued a statement about an hour ago saying 2 inches are forecast along and north of US 57, which includes the SAT and AUS metro areas. I am strongly considering urging my wife to cancel our SAT plans this weekend if only to avoid what I am sure is a large group of morons on IH-35 who have no idea how to drive in winter weather.

Mackieman Dec 2, 2009 3:07 pm

4PM Discussion is out:

Code:

177
fxus64 kewx 022201
afdewx


Area forecast discussion
National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio Texas
401 PM CST Wednesday Dec 2 2009


Discussion...
cold air advection will continue tonight into Friday ahead of the
approaching upper level trough and result in temperatures well
below normal across much of the area. A quick look at the surface
observations across the central and northern plains shows 3pm
temperatures in the 20s and 30s...with a few spots in the upper
teens. Dewpoint temperatures in the teens are common in this
airmass...which will build into our area going into Friday.


The large trough taking shape across the northern plains will lift
NE over the next 48-72h. At the same time...shortwave energy will
move around the base...across the southern rockies Thursday and
across our area Friday. A coastal trough is forecast to deepen
Thursday night in response to the approaching upper level short
wave trough. The forecast position and magnitude of the coastal
trough will be a big player in the snow forecast. There are some
differences among the 12z model suite with regard to the coastal
trough...with the 12z GFS more bullish on the quantitative precipitation forecast...especially
across our southeast counties. The 12z GFS forecast soundings for our southeast
counties show classic snow traces Friday...so precipitation will likely
be all snow. Our forecast snowfall amounts are generally a blend
of the 12z nam12 and gfs40 snowfall amount output...minus a
quarter to half inch for anticipated melting. Will pass on a
Winter Storm Watch for now given our forecast amounts and
uncertainty with forecast coastal trough evolution...but a watch
may be necessary with later model runs. For now...have updated the
Special Weather Statement and created web graphics to highlight
the snow forecast. In addition...a hard freeze is forecast Friday
night into Saturday morning and a freeze warning will likely be
required.


The high amplitude synoptic pattern currently in place is forecast
to be replaced with a near zonal pattern across the southern U.S.
By 12z Monday. Another front is forecast to push through 12z
Monday...with a quick turn-around and another front Tuesday night.


Temperatures will generally be below to well below normal for the
next seven days. We're forecasting new record low maximum temperatures Friday
for the entire area...and will likely see a few new record low
temperatures on Saturday morning.


&&

Looks like the models shifted slightly since this morning so the next two days will be telling. But in any event, it's going to be cold and there is going to be some snow, so I hope IAH has the deicing truck gassed up and ready to roll.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Dec 2, 2009 3:08 pm

Here's a link to a GFS/NAM model run showing the snow being pulled in by the low, tracking from Midland/Odessa, through the Hill Country, and then along the North side of Houston.

tex1899 Dec 2, 2009 3:11 pm

I booked a flight to DFW for Friday night to visit a friend; if it snows hopefully I won't run into any problems...I can only see her Friday evening and Saturday. I guess if it gets bad I can apply the $$ to another flight, cancel my rental car, and get her to check into my room so I can at least get the points, unless Hilton allows me to cancel w/in 24 hours.

IAHtraveler Dec 2, 2009 3:27 pm


Originally Posted by tex1899 (Post 12914441)
unless Hilton allows me to cancel w/in 24 hours.

If I have a flight cancellation, I've had good luck with Hilton properties allowing me to cancel or change a reservation, even if I'm past the CX time frame.

CObigtimefan Dec 2, 2009 3:34 pm


Originally Posted by IAHtraveler (Post 12914543)
If I have a flight cancellation, I've had good luck with Hilton properties allowing me to cancel or change a reservation, even if I'm past the CX time frame.

Always easy.

Weatherboy Dec 2, 2009 4:48 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12914425)
Here's a link to a GFS/NAM model run showing the snow being pulled in by the low, tracking from Midland/Odessa, through the Hill Country, and then along the North side of Houston.

www.weatheronline.com has measurable snow in the forecast for IAH.

I was stuck at IAH for last year's snowstorm and am glad I'll be flying through IAH on Saturday after whatever fun unfolds on Friday.

When a 1 in 30 year storm hits in two consecutive years, I suppose it's time to change the "30 year storm" mantra and/or play the lottery.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Dec 2, 2009 5:06 pm


Originally Posted by Weatherboy (Post 12915000)
www.weatheronline.com has measurable snow in the forecast for IAH.

I was stuck at IAH for last year's snowstorm and am glad I'll be flying through IAH on Saturday after whatever fun unfolds on Friday.

When a 1 in 30 year storm hits in two consecutive years, I suppose it's time to change the "30 year storm" mantra and/or play the lottery.

Well, they seem to come closely spaced, then disappear. 87 and 89 were pretty cold and snowy by Houston standards. I think our thermometer in Spring read 7 degrees at one point one of those winters. I also remember snow remaining on the yard for several days. Then there was nothing until recently. We had two or three days in the 90s with flurries, but nothing stuck.

ETA - We also got walloped by an ice storm at some point in the 90s. I don't recall exactly when, but do recall pine tree branches turning into missiles.

pptp Dec 2, 2009 5:24 pm

Can't wait! I am staying far away from the airport on and after the snow day. And if we get any ice, this time I'm not going out for a drive 'just to check it out'. Almost crashed my friggin car.

coairtul Dec 2, 2009 5:28 pm

I just hope it stays away or hits later in the evening.. I was thinking about heading to the airport Friday.. :(

Steph3n Dec 2, 2009 5:29 pm


Originally Posted by pptp (Post 12915175)
Can't wait! I am staying far away from the airport on and after the snow day. And if we get any ice, this time I'm not going out for a drive 'just to check it out'. Almost crashed my friggin car.

and hey if you don't crash it yourself, another idiot driving their lawn mower may! Or perhaps those pulling a tire behind their ATV. :rolleyes:

tvetter01 Dec 2, 2009 5:39 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12915095)
ETA - We also got walloped by an ice storm at some point in the 90s. I don't recall exactly when, but do recall pine tree branches turning into missiles.

January of 1997. The city almost completely shut down.

ssullivan Dec 2, 2009 7:45 pm


Originally Posted by tvetter01 (Post 12915236)
January of 1997. The city almost completely shut down.

Yep. I was at my parents' house, Dad was out of town, and Mom and I had to do with no power for a few days and use the fireplace for heat and to cook.

Another period of colder than normal winters happened around 1982-1984. One of those winters it was cold enough around Christmas that the lake in our neighborhood in the area northeast of Houston froze completely over. That's the only time in my life that has happened.

tvetter01 Dec 2, 2009 8:33 pm


Originally Posted by ssullivan (Post 12915846)
Yep. I was at my parents' house, Dad was out of town, and Mom and I had to do with no power for a few days and use the fireplace for heat and to cook.

Another period of colder than normal winters happened around 1982-1984. One of those winters it was cold enough around Christmas that the lake in our neighborhood in the area northeast of Houston froze completely over. That's the only time in my life that has happened.

I made a snowman in 1984. It was about two feet tall, but still, it was a snowman in Houston.

Renard Dec 2, 2009 8:43 pm

I fly out first thing Sat morning 6:30am. I am more concerned about the drive to the airport Sat morning (I'm way in the south end--50 mins on a good day.). I might go out Friday night...but have a work dinner to go to that should tie my until 8-9pm...so not sure it'll be worth it by that late. :eek: I guess I'll deal with it when and if I have to....I'm still not convinced it'll snow.

westtexas Dec 2, 2009 9:28 pm

Darned inconvenient as I booked a trip MAF-IAH-LAS on Friday returning Monday which would bump me to Gold for next year if I can make the trip. I booked some refundable tickets on Southwest as a backup, and that flight has the pleasure of being direct and thus avoiding most of the weather. I just hope that if there are weather problems CO is kind about letting us refund tickets.

Either way I will be in Vegas though, so like is good. :cool:

Weatherboy Dec 3, 2009 3:49 am

Operations Update
 
CO posted this update on their website about the winter storm:
As of 3:39 a.m. Central, Thu., Dec. 3, 2009

DUE TO AN EXPECTED WINTER EVENT ON FRIDAY DECEMBER 4TH, IN THE HOUSTON AREA THERE MAY BE DELAYS ALONG WITH FLIGHT CANCELATIONS. PLEASE CHECK WWW.CONTINENTAL.COM FOR FLIGHT STATUS.
Let the fun begin! :)

usa18dca Dec 3, 2009 4:11 am


Originally Posted by Weatherboy (Post 12917344)
CO posted this update on their website about the winter storm:
As of 3:39 a.m. Central, Thu., Dec. 3, 2009

DUE TO AN EXPECTED WINTER EVENT ON FRIDAY DECEMBER 4TH, IN THE HOUSTON AREA THERE MAY BE DELAYS ALONG WITH FLIGHT CANCELATIONS. PLEASE CHECK WWW.CONTINENTAL.COM FOR FLIGHT STATUS.
Let the fun begin! :)

This should be fun! Channa and me just need our IAH-SFO upgrades before some kind of snow effect hits UGH!

bocastephen Dec 3, 2009 8:13 am

Does the announcement mean we get weather waivers to change our flights without penalty? I'm scheduled through IAH with a 730p arrival tomorrow and a short 1hr layover. I stupidly paid a B fare to snag upgrades on a flight to SEA that I originally thought looked bleak (until a few people canceled).

I'd rather re-route through EWR and snag the last couple F seats on my selected flights since I already have the B fare.

bocastephen Dec 3, 2009 8:20 am

Maybe it won't be that bad after all...

from the National Weather Service...


Friday: A chance of rain before 11am, then a chance of rain and snow between 11am and 2pm, then a chance of snow after 2pm. Cloudy, with a high near 44. North wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%.

Friday Night: A 30 percent chance of snow before midnight. Cloudy during the early evening, then gradual clearing, with a low around 29. North wind between 10 and 15 mph.
Doesn't sound winter stormish to me

uncertaintraveler Dec 3, 2009 8:21 am


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 12918322)
Maybe it won't be that bad after all...

from the National Weather Service...

Doesn't sound winter stormish to me

For Houston, it very well could be, although I seriously doubt that there is going to be any sort of snow accumulation.

Note that the day's "high" on Friday is likely going to be at 12:01 a.m.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Dec 3, 2009 8:22 am

Apparently late next week may be fun, as well, according to some of the models. Per the weather geeks, a moderate/strong El Niño has resulted in the subtropical jet staying pretty low over Texas/Southeast. Combo of that and a big surge of even colder arctic air late next week could see Houston enter the sort of deep-freeze that it hasn't experienced since the 80s. Chance it could shift further East, in which case New Orleans to Atlanta could be in for some weather more suited to Omaha this time of year.

uncertaintraveler Dec 3, 2009 8:27 am


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12918331)
Apparently late next week may be fun, as well, according to some of the models. Per the weather geeks, a moderate/strong El Niño has resulted in the subtropical jet staying pretty low over Texas/Southeast. Combo of that and a big surge of even colder arctic air late next week could see Houston enter the sort of deep-freeze that it hasn't experienced since the 80s. Chance it could shift further East, in which case New Orleans to Atlanta could be in for some weather more suited to Omaha this time of year.

Great....

On one hand, there are no hurricanes this year, so you don't have to sweat in un-air-conditioned comfort for days on end.

On the other, the winter season is a protracted one, so you do have to freeze your butt off for days on end.

Mackieman Dec 3, 2009 8:30 am


Originally Posted by uncertaintraveler (Post 12918360)
Great....

On one hand, there are no hurricanes this year, so you don't have to sweat in un-air-conditioned comfort for days on end.

On the other, the winter season is a protracted one, so you do have to freeze your butt off for days on end.

I take the latter any time over the former.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Dec 3, 2009 8:32 am


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 12918380)
I take the latter any time over the former.

Well, you take the good with the bad. From what I've read, the position of the subtropical jet during the summer, as well as increased shear in the Atlantic basin (owing to El Niño), are what kept the U.S. largely hurricane-free this year. ^

Mackieman Dec 3, 2009 8:33 am


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12918390)
Well, you take the good with the bad. From what I've read, the position of the subtropical jet during the summer, as well as increased shear in the Atlantic basin (owing to El Niño), are what kept the U.S. largely hurricane-free this year. ^

That is true; less hurricanes means less morons all the way up here thinking they need to clean out the grocery stores and prepare to evacuate.

usa18dca Dec 3, 2009 8:38 am

I'm curious about the weather waiver =) I'd utilize this to my advantage this weekend on 2 back to back MRs

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Dec 3, 2009 8:39 am


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 12918400)
That is true; less hurricanes means less morons all the way up here thinking they need to clean out the grocery stores and prepare to evacuate.

Heh. Well, AUS can get some nasty Hurricane weather at times. My father distinctly recalls when Carla tore through Austin with 100+ mph gusts. There's not a whole lot to break the wind between Port Lavaca and y'all. Thankfully, though, Cedar trees don't do much damage when they blow over. :D

rolov Dec 3, 2009 8:41 am

Can we get an IAH Gloom and Doom Thread ?

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Dec 3, 2009 8:48 am


Originally Posted by rolov (Post 12918449)
Can we get an IAH Gloom and Doom Thread ?

For the locals, it isn't doom and gloom. It's just that way for people connecting via IAH that come from parts of the country that generally have seasons other than "Hot" and "Warm and/or Slightly Cool." Displaced northerners that live amongst us will no doubt roll their eyes on Friday as the natives turn into five-year-olds in the presence of strange white stuff falling from the sky. :D

uncertaintraveler Dec 3, 2009 8:48 am


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 12918400)
That is true; less hurricanes means less morons all the way up here thinking they need to clean out the grocery stores and prepare to evacuate.

Good thing, too, since Austin already has more morons than it can handle. :D

usa18dca Dec 3, 2009 8:50 am


Originally Posted by rolov (Post 12918449)
Can we get an IAH Gloom and Doom Thread ?

Just started one =)

TMOliver Dec 3, 2009 8:51 am


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 12918293)
Does the announcement mean we get weather waivers to change our flights without penalty? I'm scheduled through IAH with a 730p arrival tomorrow and a short 1hr layover. I stupidly paid a B fare to snag upgrades on a flight to SEA that I originally thought looked bleak (until a few people canceled).

I don't think you have anything to worry about. The ground temp is well above 32F, and 260 miles NW, we're CAVU, and 40F (low 35F) with a chance of snow tonight. The "snow" in Houston (IAH, but was it snowing at HOU?was almost unique caused by high humidity and the passage of a Low, with the subfreezing temperature above the surface generating the snowfall instead of the usual rain. What you don't want, freezing temp on the ground and warm and wet above, from whence cometh the dreaded and dreadful freezing rain, is not likely.

ssullivan Dec 3, 2009 9:20 am


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 12918380)
I take the latter any time over the former.

Same here.

ssullivan Dec 3, 2009 9:20 am


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12918331)
Chance it could shift further East, in which case New Orleans to Atlanta could be in for some weather more suited to Omaha this time of year.

Awesome!

CObigtimefan Dec 3, 2009 10:07 am

I just want to know if things have improved since last years mess...

Hartmann Dec 3, 2009 10:09 am


Originally Posted by CObigtimefan (Post 12918958)
I just want to know if things have improved since last years mess...

I'm guessing they'll have gasoline for the single deicing truck this year :)

Mackieman Dec 3, 2009 10:20 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 12918969)
I'm guessing they'll have gasoline for the single deicing truck this year :)

Perhaps will an oil change and everything!

Really though, the temperatures aren't going to be the type that cause heavy ice build up quickly, so hopefully it won't be too much more than the Little Deicer That Could™ can keep up with.


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