Does This Count as a Battlefield Upgrade?
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: JZRO
Posts: 9,175
Just arrived at SNA airport to check in for my flight to IAH and when I printed my boarding pass, there it was: 1A
Does that count as a battlefield upgrade or is that only at or after boarding-pass scan? Who cares!--right? I got the upgrade! ^
Does that count as a battlefield upgrade or is that only at or after boarding-pass scan? Who cares!--right? I got the upgrade! ^
#2

Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NYC and SFO
Programs: UA 1MM (former 1K, Delta Platinum))
Posts: 1,244
You provoked me to google up a bunch of "uses by native speakers" while I drink my coffee.
I personally lean against describing the mundane with too-colorful language. When a nicely dressed person with hands that have only ever touched a keyboard talks about "drilling down" into data, I cringe. On the other hand, maybe their life needs some spicing up, who am I to react this way?
With this bias, I was hoping that the original uses would turn out to be when the FA actually had to wander into coach to find you for your upgrade. In fact, it seems that "at the gate" is good enough.
CO has a number of regimes for upgrades. There's a rule change at 24 hrs, once OLCI starts. There are often computer generated upgrades at the 3 hour mark. Then there are gate upgrades, either orderly when agents notice immediately that some upgrades are inevitable, or last-minute, either calling up passengers right before boarding, or having the ticket reader beep. Then there's pulling someone out of coach.
It sure looks to me like our FAQ is being a bit liberal with the term; if I get an email at 3 hours, under post-OLCI rules, that is clearly not a battlefield upgrade even though the FAQ describes it as such.
You don't say whether you receive email alerts to your cell, so it is hard to determine from evidence presented whether you "revealed" a 3 hour upgrade by printing your pass, or you arrived after gate agents processed your upgrade.
On the other hand, we're using colorful, subjective language here, so there's a "if a tree fell in the forest" issue at hand: If you didn't reach the gate wondering, it wasn't a battlefield upgrade. This interpretation argues that you had to observe your change in status taking place at the gate, for it to be a battlefield upgrade.
I personally lean against describing the mundane with too-colorful language. When a nicely dressed person with hands that have only ever touched a keyboard talks about "drilling down" into data, I cringe. On the other hand, maybe their life needs some spicing up, who am I to react this way?
With this bias, I was hoping that the original uses would turn out to be when the FA actually had to wander into coach to find you for your upgrade. In fact, it seems that "at the gate" is good enough.
CO has a number of regimes for upgrades. There's a rule change at 24 hrs, once OLCI starts. There are often computer generated upgrades at the 3 hour mark. Then there are gate upgrades, either orderly when agents notice immediately that some upgrades are inevitable, or last-minute, either calling up passengers right before boarding, or having the ticket reader beep. Then there's pulling someone out of coach.
It sure looks to me like our FAQ is being a bit liberal with the term; if I get an email at 3 hours, under post-OLCI rules, that is clearly not a battlefield upgrade even though the FAQ describes it as such.
You don't say whether you receive email alerts to your cell, so it is hard to determine from evidence presented whether you "revealed" a 3 hour upgrade by printing your pass, or you arrived after gate agents processed your upgrade.
On the other hand, we're using colorful, subjective language here, so there's a "if a tree fell in the forest" issue at hand: If you didn't reach the gate wondering, it wasn't a battlefield upgrade. This interpretation argues that you had to observe your change in status taking place at the gate, for it to be a battlefield upgrade.
#3
Suspended
Join Date: Nov 1999
Posts: 24,150
I say that its a Battlefield, once Ive done my check-in and either I call on my way to the Airport or check at either the Counter or Gate to see if I cleared, and Im told that FC is Full.
Then either I get paged by the GA and given a new BP, or the scanner beeps and issues me a new BP, or as frequently happens
the GA comes aboard and calls over the PA for me to come to the door for my new seat assignment.
anything before the Last EUA run I dont consider as Battlefield , for it means CO was simply holding onto seats and hoping they will sell them. But to each their own.
Then either I get paged by the GA and given a new BP, or the scanner beeps and issues me a new BP, or as frequently happens
the GA comes aboard and calls over the PA for me to come to the door for my new seat assignment.anything before the Last EUA run I dont consider as Battlefield , for it means CO was simply holding onto seats and hoping they will sell them. But to each their own.
#4
Suspended
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: ORD / DUB / LHR
Programs: UA 1K MM; BA Silver; Marriott Plat
Posts: 8,240
Had you already OLCI'd for the flight? This is FT after all, so there's really no good reason not to
#5

Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NYC and SFO
Programs: UA 1MM (former 1K, Delta Platinum))
Posts: 1,244
At the Gate
The original uses of "Battlefield Upgrade" refer to upgrades at the gate.
People can say what they want. However, if I order a latte at Starbucks I can say I'm having sex, but it doesn't make it so.
People can say what they want. However, if I order a latte at Starbucks I can say I'm having sex, but it doesn't make it so.
#6
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Houston, Texas
Programs: CO Silver
Posts: 2,600
IMO, the term only applies if you are already seated in Y and are paged to the forward cabin while already onboard the aircraft.
#7
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: DCA
Programs: Kommissar Giga-Posting Direktor, PWP; Fasano Nouveau Aristocrat; CO Platinum; BD Gold; MR Gold
Posts: 18,733
I thought the term originally applied only to upgrades on the aircraft. In any case, I consider only upgrades on the aircraft to be "battlefield" upgrades. An upgrade at the gate would be a "gate upgrade" or "upgrade at the gate."
#8

Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NYC and SFO
Programs: UA 1MM (former 1K, Delta Platinum))
Posts: 1,244
The term certainly shouldn't extend to cover the entire period after OLCI; our FAQ should be corrected.
#9
Join Date: Apr 2003
Programs: UA *G 1MM LT United Club & Global Entry
Posts: 2,756
Watch your elbow's.....
SunLover
#10
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: San Francisco/Tel Aviv/YYZ
Programs: CO 1K-MM
Posts: 10,859
IIRC,
"Gate Upgrade" refers to an upgrade given after normal EUA but before the passenger has boarded
"Battlefield" refers to an upgrade cleared after the passenger has boarded, who subsequently has to battle their way upstream to get their new seat.
"Gate Upgrade" refers to an upgrade given after normal EUA but before the passenger has boarded
"Battlefield" refers to an upgrade cleared after the passenger has boarded, who subsequently has to battle their way upstream to get their new seat.
#12
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: IAH
Programs: CO Plat(soon Premier Gold) PC lifetime(UC Life?) SPG Plat(Soon Gold)
Posts: 895
But if we separate "Gate Upgrade" from "Battlefield Upgrade", and the latter means only after boarding, I'll use that way from now on.
#13
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 17,769
I'll be sure to let everyone know when I get my next upgrade.
#14
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: DCA
Programs: Kommissar Giga-Posting Direktor, PWP; Fasano Nouveau Aristocrat; CO Platinum; BD Gold; MR Gold
Posts: 18,733
#15


Join Date: May 2002
Location: Moreland Hills (CLE)
Programs: Over-entitled UA 1.3MM Gold, AA Gold, Hilton Diamond, Marriott L-T Plat, Hertz PC
Posts: 5,526



