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craz Apr 19, 2007 6:35 pm


Originally Posted by entropy (Post 7609798)
I'll repeat and clarify what I said earlier. I think its unreasonable to expect that no matter what the particular requirements are (not singling out kosher), that CO will accomodate you. If you're on the atkins diet and only eat protein, you can take your own bag of beef jerky. If you are VERY allergic to peanuts, you should probably pack your own meal, who knows how much peanut oil has accumulated in the food carts. If you're strictly kosher, you should get your food from a trusted source.

below is the list from CO.
Vegan (Strict) Vegetarian
Diabetic
Gluten Free
Low Calorie
Low Fat/ Low Cholesterol
Low Sodium
Infant*
Children's
Fruit Plate
Seafood (not offered on Breakfast flights)
Hindu
Hindu vegetarian meals are a standard choice on flights between New York/ Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty) and Delhi, India (DEL). It is not necessary to request Hindu vegetarian as a special meal for these particular flights.
Kosher (During Passover season, only Passover Kosher meals are offered)
Glatt Kosher (only offered on flights from Tel Aviv, Israel (TLV) to New York/ Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty)
Moslem

I personally have no problems with this post although I do disagree with it. However Post# 59 where you posted even after a Clarification , that anyone who wants to live by these 'ridicilous rules' pertaining to the food that they will or will not eat, Is NOT ridicilous, just because they choose to eat only certain meals. Is a person who can have a very bad reaction to eating food that has peanuts in it Ridicilous??? Is aperson on a very restricted diet due to their health condition being Ridiculous? I think NOT, is a Muslim who wont eat Pig , or a Jew who adheres to strictly being Kosher being Ridiculous?? I think not, or a Hindu who wont eat meat is that also Ridiculous? I also think not. Using the word "Ridiculous" is what is "RIDICULOUS"

CO757 Apr 19, 2007 6:49 pm


Originally Posted by craz (Post 7609952)
I personally have no problems with this post although I do disagree with it. However Post# 59 where you posted even after a Clarification , that anyone who wants to live by these 'ridicilous rules' pertaining to the food that they will or will not eat, Is NOT ridicilous, just because they choose to eat only certain meals. Is a person who can have a very bad reaction to eating food that has peanuts in it Ridicilous??? Is aperson on a very restricted diet due to their health condition being Ridiculous? I think NOT, is a Muslim who wont eat Pig , or a Jew who adheres to strictly being Kosher being Ridiculous?? I think not, or a Hindu who wont eat meat is that also Ridiculous? I also think not. Using the word "Ridiculous" is what is "RIDICULOUS"

It is "Ridiculous" to expect that CO or any other airline is responsible to meet every "special" diet. There is a standard throughout civilized society that the vast majority of people adhere to and on occasions it might require adjusting; but to expect CO to cater to all those dietary needs on every snack/meal flight is unreasonable.

Take personal responsibility for you own well being and plan ahead or be flexible to circumstances (storms, mechanical delays); most of the "strict" kosher folks often pack enough food in their carry-on luggage to feed everyone on the plane; why, because they know to be prepared.

craz Apr 19, 2007 7:07 pm


Originally Posted by CO757 (Post 7610004)
It is "Ridiculous" to expect that CO or any other airline is responsible to meet every "special" diet. There is a standard throughout civilized society that the vast majority of people adhere to and on occasions it might require adjusting; but to expect CO to cater to all those dietary needs on every snack/meal flight is unreasonable.

Take personal responsibility for you own well being and plan ahead or be flexible to circumstances (storms, mechanical delays); most of the "strict" kosher folks often pack enough food in their carry-on luggage to feed everyone on the plane; why, because they know to be prepared.

I agree with You that it would be impossible for CO or any other Carrier to meet the food needs of every single passenger. However, its not ridiculous to expect if a Carrier is gonna offer food that it doesnt meet the food needs of those people who represent a certain % of their flyers. does kosher fall into this I would have thought so, maybe it doesnt but if CO gets alot of Muslim or Hindu flyers I would expect that they would want to cater to their needs.

why doesnt CO simply stop offering food altogether after all most of the posts on here, bash them for what ever it is that they serve. Let Everyone take personal responsibility for themselves as you put it. Thats why most Carriers did away with Meals at any time.

It wasnt so long ago that CO was able to offer almost everyone who had a special need when it came to meals , the type of meal that they needed to have, as did most of the other carriers as well. But as we now see they had to cut costs otherwise the execs wouldnt be able to get the tremendous bonuses they are getting today. If these guys really cared they wouldnt be taking those bonuses, but thats another subject, besides the $$ for that is mainly off the backs of the rack & file more so then the cutting back of meals.

entropy Apr 19, 2007 7:11 pm


Take personal responsibility for you own well being and plan ahead or be flexible to circumstances
exactly.
Having a particular 'need' is not ridiculous. Demanding that others take that need into account is, and that's what you're demanding.

craz Apr 19, 2007 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by entropy (Post 7610097)
exactly.
Having a particular 'need' is not ridiculous. Demanding that others take that need into account is, and that's what you're demanding.

One might even think that hunting down another member's phone number to call him and accuse him of being anti semitic is RIDICULOUS.

YOU gave it to me!!! do you want me to PM you your Israeli # as well?? You gave me that as well. How else did I know your Hebrew name?? Oh I see its your handle on FT right?!

I didnt accuse you of being Anti-Semitic only Anti-Religious, but I know a number of people who are Coservative & Consevradox who are strictly Kosher as well and will tell you that they arent Religious as the concept of being Religious is taken to mean being Shomer shabbos etc.

would You like to have a Senior Mod look into this matter? and the way you orginally worded your post before You so called clarified it, I have no problems with it

craz Apr 19, 2007 7:30 pm

to take this concept of special meals 1 step further, if a person cant fit into a Coach seat be it due to the need for leg room or seat width due to being a PoS. They shouldnt Rant against the Carrier but either buy up in cabins or take a boat. after all a carrier should get as many seats on a plane as tehy can it aint their fault if a person is taller then 5'%" or is wider then most people.

I say lets petition CO and all the Carriers to make the seat pitch 28", that way they can get more seats on and can lower the fares and still make more $$$ in their pockets. Oh it will be too cramped for those over teh avg in height, hey you cant expect CO or anyone else to cater to each and everyones particuilar height, now can we. Its more important to have lower fares and more profits for the Carriers.

entropy Apr 19, 2007 8:08 pm

yeah, I looked in my sent items and I did give it to you last summer. So I'm sorry for accusing you of hunting me down.

So CO should now build a variety of seat sizes to accomodate people of different sizes? that's going to work really well. I'd love to be able to buy 4 inches of shoulder space and, oh, 5 more inches of legroom, a massage function for my aching muscles. How is CO supposed to manage that in its inventory control? Do they send a team to adjust all the seats before each flight?

That just proves the point!

MBM3 Apr 19, 2007 8:20 pm

Guys, let's just take a deep breath before this really gets out of control and out of the spirit of this forum.

craz Apr 19, 2007 8:34 pm


Originally Posted by entropy (Post 7610345)
yeah, I looked in my sent items and I did give it to you last summer. So I'm sorry for accusing you of hunting me down.

So CO should now build a variety of seat sizes to accomodate people of different sizes? that's going to work really well. I'd love to be able to buy 4 inches of shoulder space and, oh, 5 more inches of legroom, a massage function for my aching muscles. How is CO supposed to manage that in its inventory control? Do they send a team to adjust all the seats before each flight?

That just proves the point!

Apology accepted.

its not so ridiculous for any company to go out of its way to try and satisfy the special needs of any community if it can in order to secure its biz. I recently purchased a new Accord, its a great car but being 6'2" its LOUSY seats as I need a longer seat that doesnt cut off mid-thigh. But a Japanese car is still made with a Japanese person in mind. Thats why it was hard orginally for Honda and the others to make any in roads over here. Its not only Honda most US cars that come with a sun-roof are off limits to me or anyone of above avg height. Yet the same isnt true for Accura the seats are longer, as those cars are made especially for the US mkt, yet with the sun-roof I still fit into them. No I dont think Honda discriminates against tall people on purpose, but Im sure if they thought that if they made changes to their cars so that tall people could fit in as a driver or passenger comfortably and that will allow them to vastly increase their Sales, they would do it.

If CO felt they could drop all meals and still maintain their passengers , Im sure they would do so in a moment. If CO felt supplying Kosher meals would increase their bottom line drastically Im sure they would do it, that is as long as they wouldnt receive Heck from the other special meal groups.

why does CO offer Glatt out of Israel cause w/o doing so they know they will lose out on a ton of people, BTW the KSML out of the US are all Glatt. Why does CO not offer meat on its DEL flights cause it wants to still serve the route and if it does otherwise Hindus wont fly with CO.

Just as Vegas goes out of its way to satisfy the needs of its WHALES so too will any Biz, if its important enough. Go to Vegas and play the $5 tables and at $5 a hand or 5 cent slots for 5 cents each time, you can play for 48 hrs and still you wont get any comps. Co did its homework and decided when it needs to offer special meals and when it can get away w/o having to. Just as it figured out what it can call meal time and what they can get away with serving and still call it a meal.

etc etc, No I dont expect CO to start offering ANY special meal on non-trans cons. Just as I wont hold my breathe waiting for CO to do as JB did and have a Coach pitch of 34" to 36". If a person definitely wants or needs that room in coach then JB is the place for them

FA02 Apr 19, 2007 8:57 pm

I cannot believe this topic has been going on this long, when the OP has known that CO has not offered special meals on any domestic flights except international and transcon for almost 6 years. I am sure he asks for his special meal everytime he flies just see what response the Flight Attendant will give him. He knows better. And I am sure after all this he will continue to ask and annoy the flight attendants.

Thank you

weinberg81 May 30, 2007 8:55 am


Originally Posted by FA02 (Post 7610547)
I cannot believe this topic has been going on this long, when the OP has known that CO has not offered special meals on any domestic flights except international and transcon for almost 6 years. I am sure he asks for his special meal everytime he flies just see what response the Flight Attendant will give him. He knows better. And I am sure after all this he will continue to ask and annoy the flight attendants.

Thank you

My beef was that if I am allowed to request Kosher, then the meal should be available as an option to what looked like much more than a snack. If they didn't offer kosher as an alternative, like southwest or jetblue, I would know to bring my own food. Now I will always remember to carry more snacks and sandwiches with me.

rbrenton88 May 30, 2007 1:37 pm


Originally Posted by weinberg81 (Post 7819976)
My beef was that if I am allowed to request Kosher, then the meal should be available as an option to what looked like much more than a snack. If they didn't offer kosher as an alternative, like southwest or jetblue, I would know to bring my own food. Now I will always remember to carry more snacks and sandwiches with me.

I've always been curious...what would have happened if you ate the pizza anyway?

weinberg81 May 30, 2007 2:26 pm


Originally Posted by rbrenton88 (Post 7821712)
I've always been curious...what would have happened if you ate the pizza anyway?

spontaneous combustion:D

MisterBear May 31, 2007 8:40 am

No Kosher food option at EWR
 
What really bugs me is that you can't even buy any pre-packaged kosher food at EWR. At JFK in JetBlue terminal there are plenty of options to purchase that are kosher and I am happy to buy them.

Why can't we have the same option in a place the size of EWR?

In my view one more example of how JetBlue seems to understand its customer base better than the other carriers.

I am not sure who is responsible for this, but I am sure if CO wanted there to be a kosher food supplier in Terminal C at EWR there would indeed be one there.

KENNECTED May 31, 2007 9:07 am


Originally Posted by MisterBear (Post 7826023)
What really bugs me is that you can't even buy any pre-packaged kosher food at EWR. At JFK in JetBlue terminal there are plenty of options to purchase that are kosher and I am happy to buy them.

Why can't we have the same option in a place the size of EWR?

In my view one more example of how JetBlue seems to understand its customer base better than the other carriers.

I am not sure who is responsible for this, but I am sure if CO wanted there to be a kosher food supplier in Terminal C at EWR there would indeed be one there.

Maybe you should contact Continental and the Port Authority of New York/New Jersey.


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