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aacharya Aug 20, 2010 10:26 am


Originally Posted by Motorskills (Post 14515650)
Maybe I missed it, but I couldn't see in the FAQ an explanation of Transatlantic Points - how they are earned, and what they do for you.

They help obtain elite status for EU-based OP members faster than otherwise normally possible. There's a few posts on the topic, but probably not enough EU-based FTers here to make it in the FAQ.

gregsachs Sep 15, 2010 8:45 am

FAQ post #19
 
WRT to the in-flight calling, I was recently on 777 #6, which has the new lie-flat cabin. Could not call from bf to y, the system would not accept the commands needed.

reinballe Sep 27, 2010 11:34 am

Update to FAQ "Plan B..."
 
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/6883527-post25.html

The miles (100,000) will be debited from your account and you will then be placed on a waitlist for BusinessFirst. (If you do not clear into BusinessFirst you will receive a mileage refund for the difference between BF and Y… more on this later)

1) 100,000 -> 105,000

2) "more on this later". I did not see anything about this "later" in the post.

sbm12 Oct 5, 2010 11:13 am

I made updates to the FAQ going back to February (post 253) from this thread. I took most of the suggestions and skipped a couple for various reasons. If you see something that still is not correct, please post here.

I'm hoping to get something about BoB/F4S put together soon but I do not have a timeline for it as of right now.

ConciergeMike Oct 5, 2010 4:11 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 14891069)
I made updates to the FAQ going back to February (post 253) from this thread. I took most of the suggestions and skipped a couple for various reasons. If you see something that still is not correct, please post here.

I'm hoping to get something about BoB/F4S put together soon but I do not have a timeline for it as of right now.

The post about EliteAccess TSA needs and edit for PHL - says "only at E"...no longer relevant since the merged checkpoint. There is an Elite/F passenger line.

joshwex90 Oct 7, 2010 2:41 pm

The access rule to the President's Club should be amended: a passenger holding a ticket specifically for BusinessFirst, flying alone, under the age of 21, will still be admitted to the PC. At the check-in to the lounge, they will simply escort him/her to the bar to introduce the bartender to the pax, so the bartender knows not to serve him/her because he/she's underage.

ConciergeMike Oct 7, 2010 2:44 pm


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 14905313)
The access rule to the President's Club should be amended: a passenger holding a ticket specifically for BusinessFirst, flying alone, under the age of 21, will still be admitted to the PC. At the check-in to the lounge, they will simply escort him/her to the bar to introduce the bartender to the pax, so the bartender knows not to serve him/her because he/she's underage.

Objection, Your Honor. Relevance of post to thread.

joshwex90 Oct 7, 2010 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 14905338)
Objection, Your Honor. Relevance of post to thread.

Overruled. The name of the thread clearly implies it is meant to be used to update the existing FAQ page.

ConciergeMike Oct 7, 2010 3:00 pm


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 14905419)
Overruled. The name of the thread clearly implies it is meant to be used to update the existing FAQ page.

D'oh. I'm on cold meds. Thought you were just complaining.

joshwex90 Oct 8, 2010 6:46 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 14905426)
D'oh. I'm on cold meds. Thought you were just complaining.

Gotcha. No no. That is the rule, and the FAQ should reflect that. I've given up on complaining about existing rules.

sbm12 Oct 8, 2010 9:23 am


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 14905313)
The access rule to the President's Club should be amended: a passenger holding a ticket specifically for BusinessFirst, flying alone, under the age of 21, will still be admitted to the PC. At the check-in to the lounge, they will simply escort him/her to the bar to introduce the bartender to the pax, so the bartender knows not to serve him/her because he/she's underage.

Did you read the recent update? I included your text verbatim at the bottom of the post.

Syzygies Oct 8, 2010 10:03 am

Platinum Elite Members in M
 
Several FAQ entries make no special mention of "Platinum Elite Members in M". If the FAQ entries are nevertheless correct, then it would be helpful to footnote that the lack of a special mention is deliberate. Otherwise, one suspects that the FAQ entries in question are wrong.

I am also certain, from multiple personal experiences, that waitlisting on a mileage upgrade affects the battlefield order. This is apparent from my positions on the waitlists, and obvious from the fact that they consider the miles to be cashed in if I get a battlefield upgrade while waitlisting a mileage upgrade. I know this in turn from having to phone in to get miles back when I don't clear. The FAQ makes no mention of this either.

What is the upgrade hierarchy for EUAs?

Upgrade Hierarchy for Battle Field Upgrades

Elite Upgrades (CO.com)

Full Fare Economy Y, Discount Full Fare Economy B and Platinum Elite Members in M: — Beginning 5 calendar days before departure if an upgrade was not confirmed any time after ticketing
In particular, I am curious whether a Platinum on an M fare takes priority over a non-elite waitlisting miles, either for an EUA or a battlefield upgrade.

I suspect that the FAQ is wrong, in the case of an EUA, but since it fails to address M-fare Plats separately, this could be an error of omission. For a battlefield upgrade, the FAQ doesn't address waitlisting miles at all, so it doesn't take a position on this question.

Syzygies Oct 10, 2010 9:53 pm

On today's transcon, ten people had upgraded and yet I was still #2 on the list, waitlisting miles. This struck me as odd, a statistical outlier compared to all my recent flights (but an unusual time for me), so I asked at the Prez Club.

Mileage upgrades are ordered by fare class, before elite status. In particular, a Gold on a higher fare is #1 in front of me. This was news to me; I had imagined that as a Platinum willing to plough my miles back into upgrades, my status actually meant something.

It would be nice if any of this made it to the FAQ. I suspect that the FAQ isn't updated because, well, we really don't know.

sbm12 Oct 10, 2010 10:15 pm


Originally Posted by Syzygies (Post 14921808)
On today's transcon, ten people had upgraded and yet I was still #2 on the list, waitlisting miles. This struck me as odd, a statistical outlier compared to all my recent flights (but an unusual time for me), so I asked at the Prez Club.

Mileage upgrades are ordered by fare class, before elite status. In particular, a Gold on a higher fare is #1 in front of me. This was news to me; I had imagined that as a Platinum willing to plough my miles back into upgrades, my status actually meant something.

It would be nice if any of this made it to the FAQ. I suspect that the FAQ isn't updated because, well, we really don't know.

I will update the FAQ if that turns out to be true but I think we'll need additional confirmation before I am willing to do so. I would bet that most of the 10 ahead of you were on Y/B/M fares that also show as upgrades in the system.

See this thread for more details on the waitlist order: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/conti...l#post14096749.

Syzygies Oct 11, 2010 7:35 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 14921891)
I will update the FAQ if that turns out to be true

You're debating a second order effect, when the FAQ misses the primary effect: In some order (we're not sure what order) mileage upgrades take precedence over plain upgrades.

Upgrade Hierarchy for Battle Field Upgrades

It makes for the cleanest discussion if we debate exactly one point, and only one point, at a time. To me, the FAQ asserts that for battlefield upgrades, waitlisting miles has no effect. Do you assert that this FAQ, as now written, is correct on this one point?

Syzygies Oct 15, 2010 8:25 am

I've been collecting more confirmation: Waitlisting miles helps battlefield upgrades (which is why if you've waitlisted miles, they won't give the miles back after a battlefield upgrade), and fare basis trumps elite status, for those who've waitlisted miles.

When smb12 and I have sorted out conflicting information before, it turned out that less informed agents had mislead me (as he suspected) but I got the straight scoop from the help desks within hub Prez Clubs.

This time, I'm getting confirmation from these desks. Anyone else asking?

joshwex90 Oct 15, 2010 12:51 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 14909590)
Did you read the recent update? I included your text verbatim at the bottom of the post.

I did see the bottom of the post. However, many people will simply read the top, see you need to be 21, and ignore the rest. Perhaps there could be an asterisk to link it to the bottom of the post.

mbreuer Oct 16, 2010 2:20 pm


Originally Posted by Syzygies (Post 14950744)
I've been collecting more confirmation: Waitlisting miles helps battlefield upgrades (which is why if you've waitlisted miles, they won't give the miles back after a battlefield upgrade), and fare basis trumps elite status, for those who've waitlisted miles.

When smb12 and I have sorted out conflicting information before, it turned out that less informed agents had mislead me (as he suspected) but I got the straight scoop from the help desks within hub Prez Clubs.

This time, I'm getting confirmation from these desks. Anyone else asking?

I know of at least two instances where miles were returned after an EUA (not BF). Sequence was: waitlist expired email; OLCI; EUA upgrade. Miles were redeposited about 2 weeks later. In both cases as it happened the upgrades would have occurred via EUA (everyone on list eventually cleared).

Syzygies Oct 29, 2010 9:45 am


Originally Posted by mbreuer (Post 14957565)
I know of at least two instances where miles were returned after an EUA (not BF).... In both cases as it happened the upgrades would have occurred via EUA (everyone on list eventually cleared).

That's fascinating. I don't doubt your story, but CO usually doesn't run "Dutch auctions" for pricing. Insurance companies don't refund your premiums if you don't have an accident. From my experience with CO's capricious handling of upgrade miles, I'd wonder if you simply got lucky.

Putting more resources into a bid for First increases one's certainty of sitting in First. This is how it should be; CO is milking its customers' different payoff matrices for the First/Coach choice, ranging from "First would be nice, but so is an exit row, and I'd never eat the food in First on the ground" to "The horror of sitting back there with the cattle!" With different payoff matrices, different price differentials make sense, for playing the odds of sitting in first.

If a Plat pays a Y fare to sit in First, but as it turns out they would have cleared on an M fare, CO doesn't refund the fare difference. Offering miles for the upgrade is like paying a higher fare class, to reduce uncertainty. However the dice did roll, one reduced uncertainty by offering miles, so CO delivered value for those miles.

I was the lone battlefield upgrade yesterday, EWR to SFO, with 61 elites left on the upgrade waitlist. If I get my miles back, I'm going to assume it was by mistake.

icydog Nov 9, 2010 12:16 pm

Can you explain the difference please
 
I took this quote from the FAQs thread

"International Business class (but not BusinessFirst)" is eligible for an upgrade. What is the difference and how do you know if you are on an International Business Flight and not a BF flight?

Also, I read somewhere that you can get complimentary upgrades to Australia. Did I read that right?

chiph Nov 9, 2010 12:25 pm


Originally Posted by icydog (Post 15106598)
I took this quote from the FAQs thread

"International Business class (but not BusinessFirst)" is eligible for an upgrade. What is the difference and how do you know if you are on an International Business Flight and not a BF flight?

Also, I read somewhere that you can get complimentary upgrades to Australia. Did I read that right?

Yes, but the flights there are only from PGUM. Maybe 3-4 hours on a B738.

sbm12 Nov 9, 2010 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by icydog (Post 15106598)
What is the difference and how do you know if you are on an International Business Flight and not a BF flight?

Keep reading. There is a whole post in the FAQ dedicated to this specific question.


Originally Posted by icydog (Post 15106598)
Also, I read somewhere that you can get complimentary upgrades to Australia. Did I read that right?

Only if you are flying on the GUM-CNS flight, which happens to be the only CO service to Oz.

joshwex90 Nov 9, 2010 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by icydog (Post 15106598)
I took this quote from the FAQs thread

"International Business class (but not BusinessFirst)" is eligible for an upgrade. What is the difference and how do you know if you are on an International Business Flight and not a BF flight?

Also, I read somewhere that you can get complimentary upgrades to Australia. Did I read that right?

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/conti...ml#post6719534

International Business is the premium class on flights to Latin America, EXCLUDING flights to Brazil (which are BF).

sbm12 Nov 9, 2010 12:44 pm


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 15106764)
International Business is the premium class on flights to Latin America, EXCLUDING flights to Brazil (which are BF).

This is not a complete answer.

Again, the answer is in the FAQ. Read it. It will tell you everything you need to know.

Eliza Nov 10, 2010 10:14 am

Info in FAQ seems to contradict CO's policy as stated on the phone
 
I hope I'm posting this in the right place.

A post in the FAQ says


Originally Posted by Continental FAQ (Post 6719324)
I'm awfully close to the next status tier. Any chance they'll let me slide?
Yes and no.

...

If you are close to the next tier and have an upcoming trip booked - on a non-refundable ticket - that will push you over to the next level then you have a VERY good chance of getting that status bump. Call the OPSC - not the elite line, but the OPSC! - and request the bump from them. Politely explain that you are close to the next level and that your next trip will put you over and that you'd like to take advantage of the benefits in advance if at all possible. The vast majority of folks making this request have had it granted. This is a temporary bump so you must actually make the flight in order to keep the status. But you are very likely to get the bump.
[/indent]

I'm 63 miles away from silver, and I have an upcoming non-refundable trip booked. I called to see if they could do anything for me, and the agent refused and seemed eager to get me off the phone. Perhaps the bump policy only applies between two status tiers, rather than between non-status and silver? I haven't yet tried the calling back and talking to someone different strategy because I didn't much care for the idea of listening to another twenty minutes of recordings telling me how great the United-Continental merger will be.

ConciergeMike Nov 10, 2010 10:20 am


Originally Posted by Eliza (Post 15113068)
I hope I'm posting this in the right place.

A post in the FAQ says



I'm 63 miles away from gold, and I have an upcoming non-refundable trip booked. I called to see if they could do anything for me, and the agent refused and seemed eager to get me off the phone. Perhaps the bump policy only applies between two status tiers, rather than between non-status and gold? I haven't yet tried the calling back and talking to someone different strategy because I didn't much care for the idea of listening to another twenty minutes of recordings telling me how great the United-Continental merger will be.

You'd have to be Silver before Gold...unless your trip is crediting you more than 25,001 EQM and you're at 24,999 or less. Or something like that.

Eliza Nov 10, 2010 10:47 am

Realized I misspoke about five minutes after posting but wasn't nearby to correct. I'm 63 miles away from silver, not gold.

mnmag Nov 10, 2010 11:32 am


Originally Posted by Eliza (Post 15113068)
I hope I'm posting this in the right place.

A post in the FAQ says



I'm 63 miles away from silver, and I have an upcoming non-refundable trip booked. I called to see if they could do anything for me, and the agent refused and seemed eager to get me off the phone. Perhaps the bump policy only applies between two status tiers, rather than between non-status and silver? I haven't yet tried the calling back and talking to someone different strategy because I didn't much care for the idea of listening to another twenty minutes of recordings telling me how great the United-Continental merger will be.

This is very much a 'YMMV' situation!:(

Last year, I was in the same situation (on the 'cusp' of silver), & the OPSC agent was very accommodating & 'advanced' me the status & fortunately for me, it resulted in an EUA for the flt I was taking to attain actual 'earned' SE status!^

mbreuer Nov 16, 2010 8:29 am


Originally Posted by Eliza (Post 15113302)
Realized I misspoke about five minutes after posting but wasn't nearby to correct. I'm 63 miles away from silver, not gold.

Who did you call? You need to call or email the one pass service center. That's the only place empowered to do status changes.

Eliza Nov 16, 2010 8:35 am

I called 713.952.1630, which is listed on the Continental "Contact Us" page as "OnePass frequent flyer assistance".

mbreuer Nov 16, 2010 12:27 pm


Originally Posted by Eliza (Post 15155367)
I called 713.952.1630, which is listed on the Continental "Contact Us" page as "OnePass frequent flyer assistance".

Yup, that's the one. Try emailing [email protected].

DCP913 Nov 21, 2010 6:10 pm

International standby upg priority
 
If we are waitlisted for a flight to China for 6 months and it does not clear 24 hours prior at check-in we are then put on a Flight Standby waitlist . What is the priority order for standby upgrade on an international flight? Does time of check-in or fare class play a role in priority or is it still Status and Time of Purchase?

dinoscool3 Dec 23, 2010 4:00 pm

re-posted down 1

dinoscool3 Dec 23, 2010 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by Continental FAQ (Post 6759245)
[I][SIZE="2"]

EMB–190: This plane is reported to have 10 business class seats.

(If you know of a link to the seat maps, please feel free to post it!)

[/indent]

Found the Copa E190 seat map
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cop...er_ERJ-190.php

Originally Posted by Continental FAQ (Post 6832446)
AKA Where is there EliteAccess Security Screening?

Here's (part of) the answer:
  • ABQ -- No
  • ATL -- Yes
  • ANC -- Yes
  • AUS -- No
  • BOS --Yes Note: With the BOS terminal, the elite line can be lengthy at times, since besides the CO EliteAccess customers, DL also allows Gold/Platinum Medallions (which there are a good amount of at BOS), Crown Room members and Delta Shuttle customers to use the First Class line - in the mornings it can back up a decent bit.
  • BWI -- Yes
  • CDG -- Yes
  • CLE -- Yes (Term C Only)
  • CME -- No
  • CMH -- Yes
  • DCA -- Yes (questionable efficiency)
  • DEL -- No
  • DEN -- Yes
  • DFW -- No
  • DTW -- Yes
  • EWR C1/2/3 -- Yes
  • EWR A2 -- Yes
  • FLL -- Yes
  • GUM -- No
  • IAD -- Yes
  • IAH -- Yes at B/C/E
  • JAX -- No
  • LAS -- The latest setup is that you have access if you are in F or if you are a Platinum
  • LAX -- Yes - LAX converted to a TSA Black/Blue/Green config in May '08 but it seems that the elite line for ID checking is still available based on this post.
  • LGA -- No
  • LFT -- No
  • MCI -- Yes
  • MCO -- No
  • MDT -- No
  • MDW -- No
  • MEX -- No
  • MKE -- Yes
  • MIA -- Yes
  • MSP -- Dedicated set of lanes, not at every area
  • MSY -- Yes
  • ORD -- Yes
  • OMA -- No
  • PBI -- No
  • PDX -- Yes
  • PHL -- Only at terminal E, which is not where CO flies from
  • PHX -- Yes
  • POS -- No
  • PIT -- Yes
  • RDU -- No
  • ROR -- No
  • SAN -- Yes
  • SBN -- No
  • SEA -- Yes
  • SFO -- Yes
  • SHV -- No
  • SJC -- No
  • SLC -- Yes
  • SNA -- Yes
  • STL -- No
  • TPA -- No
  • TUS -- No

Note: Any "clickable" airport will take you to a corresponding thread on the subject, should one exist.

also AMA has an elite line.

ConciergeMike Dec 23, 2010 4:10 pm

That EliteAccess security list can be re-jiggered for PHL with the blended D/E checkpoint having been completed. It is also a multi-airline premium passenger line, requiring an F BP or a :-:G credential to use.

flying for gold elite Jan 18, 2011 11:47 am

As I was walking out of the newly completed Terminal 1 in DAL I noticed an EliteAccess sign for security. When CO was sharing a single terminal with Southwest there was no special line for CO elite. This is a major improvement, though only DL and CO seem to inhabit T1.

joshwex90 Jan 25, 2011 4:54 am

Post #13 Should be Updated
 
Post 13 should be updated with the following information. New Continental Fare Class (For Departures on or After February 1, 2011)

Just curious, when the site says:

Originally Posted by Continental Airlines (CO.com)
Eligible for Most OnePass Promotions
Discount Economy Class: S, T, L, K, G - No

what does that mean? What sort of promotions? And most...does that mean there are some promotions that these fare classes are eligible for?
(yes I'm aware this was also the case before. I only just got curious seeing that I have a ticket in "S" class for after Feb 1)

IAHRyan Mar 21, 2011 1:31 pm

The new terminal at SAT, which CO flies out of, has an elite security line. This isn’t mentioned in that q/a.

Often it isn’t necessary but it’s there. Not sure if it’s always open, but it was when I used it at 630am-ish last week.

joshwex90 May 11, 2011 3:47 pm

Information on "choosing the right seat" should be updated

OPFlyer Jun 30, 2011 12:04 am

I remember there being a post somewhere about GG codes so I thought I would share a few I have come across:

ADD UA MILEAGE PLUS MEMBERS NOT ON STANDBY LIST
EX: 6:123-DOE/JOHN$UPG+U

ADD UA GLOBAL SERVICES/1K COMPANIONS TO STANDBY LIST
EX: 6:123-DOE/JOHN$1KC+U

ADD PREMIER EXECUTIVE COMPANIONS TO STANDBY LIST
EX: 6:123-DOE/JOHN$P1C+U


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