Odd flying patterns to the west?
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Odd flying patterns to the west?
Was playing around on flightaware.com and saw some interesting routes being flown by CO tonight. For example, you can see flight numbers 348, 268, 468, and 681. Most of these are EWR-west coast and assume it has a lot to do with strong headwinds as the flights are each an hour or so late. I looked at similar flights from UA and others, though, and didn't see their flights heading way up into Canada. Maybe flightaware is screwy. Just thought it was interesting.
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Originally Posted by NWsilverflyer
Was playing around on flightaware.com and saw some interesting routes being flown by CO tonight. For example, you can see flight numbers 348, 268, 468, and 681. Most of these are EWR-west coast and assume it has a lot to do with strong headwinds as the flights are each an hour or so late. I looked at similar flights from UA and others, though, and didn't see their flights heading way up into Canada. Maybe flightaware is screwy. Just thought it was interesting.
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Lately the jetstream has dipped significantly, producing headwinds in excess of 160kts for westbound travel, causing major headaches especially for flights headed to Southern California, LAS, and PHX.
My colleague's EWR-LAX on Thursday took well over 6 hours (738) but did not require a fuel stop. A320s, however, are being severely limited on westbound transcons and many flights over the last few days have been stopping en route to take on fuel. The A319 fares a little bit better, but JetBlue, with their all-A320 longer haul operation (very heavy as well, with 166 seats) has been gettin hammered. Heck, DL's MD-88s are barely able to make PHX from ATL! It's times like these I appreciate the fact that the 737NG has longer legs than its counterparts, and I'm sure the winglets don't hurt either.
The airlines are adapting as best they can, DL and AA are trying to swap 738s for MD-8x on the routes most affected, and UA flyers may see 757s on some regular A320 flights for the time being.
My colleague's EWR-LAX on Thursday took well over 6 hours (738) but did not require a fuel stop. A320s, however, are being severely limited on westbound transcons and many flights over the last few days have been stopping en route to take on fuel. The A319 fares a little bit better, but JetBlue, with their all-A320 longer haul operation (very heavy as well, with 166 seats) has been gettin hammered. Heck, DL's MD-88s are barely able to make PHX from ATL! It's times like these I appreciate the fact that the 737NG has longer legs than its counterparts, and I'm sure the winglets don't hurt either.
The airlines are adapting as best they can, DL and AA are trying to swap 738s for MD-8x on the routes most affected, and UA flyers may see 757s on some regular A320 flights for the time being.
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The RJs really get punished when this happens
I flew:
IAH - BFL (westbound to Bakersfield, CA) = 4 hours airtime on 2/16
BFL - IAH = 3 hours airtime on 2/18
Add 30-40 minutes in-seat at IAH and the outbound just bites...
FWIW
DLM
IAH - BFL (westbound to Bakersfield, CA) = 4 hours airtime on 2/16
BFL - IAH = 3 hours airtime on 2/18
Add 30-40 minutes in-seat at IAH and the outbound just bites...
FWIW
DLM
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These strong headwinds are crazy, but it would be better if it was the other way around (for the EWR-HNL flights
)
These strong headwinds are crazy, but it would be better if it was the other way around (for the EWR-HNL flights
)
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Originally Posted by dmunz
I flew:
IAH - BFL (westbound to Bakersfield, CA) = 4 hours airtime on 2/16
BFL - IAH = 3 hours airtime on 2/18
Add 30-40 minutes in-seat at IAH and the outbound just bites...
FWIW
DLM
IAH - BFL (westbound to Bakersfield, CA) = 4 hours airtime on 2/16
BFL - IAH = 3 hours airtime on 2/18
Add 30-40 minutes in-seat at IAH and the outbound just bites...
FWIW
DLM
Hope to see those headwinds die down a little for the ride up there...-CLG
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I was on CO 47 AMS-IAH yesterday, and we came in over Northern Michigan, then South Bend, Indy, Memphis, Shreveport, then into IAH. Most of the time I'm on this flight (at least 3x a year) we come in directly over ORD, with an absolutely awesome view of Chicago (depending of the weather), and sometimes a great view of frozen Northern Canada when possible.
I was wondering why the different route, but there was bad weather in North Texas yesterday, so I can understand.
I was wondering why the different route, but there was bad weather in North Texas yesterday, so I can understand.
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Originally Posted by 764toHI
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These strong headwinds are crazy, but it would be better if it was the other way around (for the EWR-HNL flights
)
These strong headwinds are crazy, but it would be better if it was the other way around (for the EWR-HNL flights
)RTS
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Originally Posted by CODC10
Lately the jetstream has dipped significantly, producing headwinds in excess of 160kts for westbound travel, causing major headaches especially for flights headed to Southern California, LAS, and PHX.
My colleague's EWR-LAX on Thursday took well over 6 hours (738) but did not require a fuel stop.
My colleague's EWR-LAX on Thursday took well over 6 hours (738) but did not require a fuel stop.
My return trip last night/this morning (LAX-EWR 1803) made it in 4:02.

