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Originally Posted by theblakefish
If that is the case, than why don't you fly IAH-ORD-LHR-OSL on BA? The IAH-ORD-LHR is all one aircraft, plus you don't have to connect in Canada. ;)
BA's fares out of IAH are almost always competitive with others...even to LHR. AC has a better schedule on the way back- I can catch the last flight out of LHR after a whole day's work, sleep at YYZ and catch the morning co/ac flight to IAH if need be. And we have a deal with AC that a full Y fare will be upgraded to C, making it a very cheap option from LHR. Since I live within 7 mins walking distance of Victoria, LGW would be good from commute point of view, but connections are nowhere as good as LHR. |
SkyTeam Hub at Terminal 4?
This thread on a.net sights a La Tribune article (in French) that states SkyTeam has signed an agreement with BAA (the folks who operate the London airports) to consolidate operations in Terminal 4 presumably after BA moves to their new home in T5. I do not know if any mention was made regarding slots (as my French is none too good! :eek: )
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Kellner also mentioned in this month's in flight magazine that they are aiming to start IAH-LHR in March of 2008. Not sure if anyone has posted that yet.
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I frickin' hate Heathrow. But with the insane taxes on flights with any UK sectors and the ridiculous one-carryon policy, CDG is becoming my new European hub anyway. I'm racking up Eurostar points like OnePass now. :(
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I agree with ElkeNorEast, I was in Heathrow in May for the first time since last August, and it is clear to me that, regarding air travel, the Brits have lost their collective mind. First, you have that outrageously absurd, extortionate vig they hit you up for (double in the front cabin) based on some bogus 'scientific' conclusion indicative of their sensationalist, alarmist, and thoroughly retarded fixation on scapegoating air travel as a prime driver of climate change. Then, the security situation has made UK travel significantly more of a hassle. Finally, with the pound hovering around $2, it's just not worth it to do business in London any more, if it can be avoided, and even more so as simply a connecting hub.
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Originally Posted by ElkeNorEast
(Post 7858930)
I frickin' hate Heathrow. But with the insane taxes on flights with any UK sectors and the ridiculous one-carryon policy, CDG is becoming my new European hub anyway.
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Personally, I would much rather have a Frenchman fondle my undergarments in the security lines at CDG than have them lost forever to the pervy baggage handlers at Heathrow ;)
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Originally Posted by RNE
(Post 7859359)
CDG? I much prefer AMS.
For European connections, I prefer AF to KLM. I also prefer Paris to Amsterdam, so I can sneak in a day or two of holiday as well. AMS is a better airport, but after living in NL for a couple of years I'm keen to avoid it if I can... some avoid France, I avoid the Netherlands. We all have our quirks :rolleyes: |
This story was posted on a.net; if the reuters article is correct than it looks like we'll be seeing at least nine new joint AF/DL ex LHR destinations.
Full story from Reuters: PARIS (Reuters) - Air France and Delta Air Lines are preparing to announce a new commercial deal as the gloves come off in a war for transatlantic business under the recent Open Skies deal between Europe and the United States. The French carrier declined to comment on the joint venture ahead of a news conference and signing ceremony on Wednesday. But analysts said it had given broad outlines of its transatlantic plans at an investor conference on Monday, including plans to fly direct from Heathrow to Los Angeles. (snip) Air France has said it is close to finalising a deal with Skyteam partner Delta that would create better cost-sharing and integration on the transatlantic routes. The Delta venture will be based partially on a 10-year-old agreement between KLM, which is part of the same group as Air France, and Northwest Airlines, by pooling the economic benefit from transatlantic services, analysts said. (snip) "Air France-KLM has clearly decided to seize the new opportunities offered by the Open Skies agreement, especially for traffic departing from London Heathrow," Paris brokerage Oddo said in a note to clients. In a direct challenge to British Airways, Heathrow slots will be used to serve nine U.S. destinations under the AF code, including a Los Angeles flight operated by Air France itself, analysts said. Incremental profits from the venture will be shared. (snip) emphasis added |
Originally Posted by J.Edward
(Post 8568130)
In a direct challenge to British Airways, Heathrow slots will be used to serve nine U.S. destinations under the AF code, including a Los Angeles flight operated by Air France itself, analysts said.
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Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 8568249)
LAX, ATL & JFK are the obvious ones. Maybe CVG, but I can't imagine there is sufficient traffic to drive that year-round. What are the other 5 cities? Maybe SLC?? Where else are AF/DL going to generate sufficient connecting and o/d traffic to support 9 destinations??
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Cross posting from another LHR thread:
--- http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/068875e8-8...779fd2ac.html? "Deals are not finalised yet, but it is understood that of GB Airways’ four pairs of slots, two are to be acquired by Continental Airlines of the US, one by British Airways and one by Qatar Airways." "It is understood that Continental is considering opening twice daily services from Heathrow to both Houston and New York Newark with an announcement possibly next week." --- This is part of the story of easyjet buying up GB Airways, a contract airline for BA. They have 4 pairs of LHR slots (flying 5 routes, according to some sources), and is not part of the easyjet purchase. |
http://www.airliners.net/discussions....main/3672443/
Wow, the talk on a.net - from pretty reliable posters too - is: 2x IAH-LHR 2x EWR-LHR 1x IAH-LGW 2x EWR-LGW 1x CLE-LGW If that's true, it'll be a huge increase of London service. Up two flights, and I can't see them not use 772s for the LHRs. And the IAH-LGW will at least have to be a 762. To support this capacity increase, there has to be significant decrease in continental Europe capacity; or, I've heard some rumors, that CO is shopping for more 772s (new or used)... ;) |
3 flights iah-lon...if this is true, this would be big news! My guess too is that the iah-lgw would be a 762
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As soon as I saw the article on the EasyJet GB thing in FT (no -- the other FT, the Financial Times :p) and free slots at LHR I thought of CO.
Originally Posted by rkkwan
(Post 8627689)
I've heard some rumors, that CO is shopping for more 772s (new or used)... ;)
I find this to be the most logical solution to the capacity problem. Interestingly, I also saw this article in the NY Times today regarding US carriers putting off aircraft purchases: ... Indeed, only 43 of the 710 Boeing 787s on order have been identified as going to domestic airlines; 25 to Continental Airlines and 18 to Northwest. And none of the 165 giant Airbus A380s on order are destined for United States carriers. In essence a new generation of jetliners — bigger, more comfortable, more fuel efficient — is largely bypassing domestic airlines and their customers. “The fleet is aging almost one-for-one with the calendar,” said Roger E. King, an analyst at CreditSights, who predicts that the trend will continue for about five years. ... |
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