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fly co to see the yanks Dec 5, 2002 7:19 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by aparsuites:
Look what you've started, yanks! </font>
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Princess12345 Dec 5, 2002 7:40 am

The SQ FAs also has youth and vigor on their side! They seem much more sprightly and energetic, compared to the matrons found aboard much US metal. (I have been told TWA were the worst!)

IP:

Yes 25$ goes a long way in their country. And it may also have something to do with the fact that they are provided a set of Louis Vuitton luggage.

OpenOncePourTwice Dec 5, 2002 8:04 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by dsimon:
I completely agree with this sentiment. If I were to 'handle' a client the way some FAs and ground staff handle their clients, not only would I be out of a job, but my company would be out a customer.

To be fair, this is not an indictment on all or even most of CO FAs, but I have certainly come across indifferent and outright rude service on more than a few isolated incidents.

As far as Asian carriers go, it has been my experience that service on international and intra-Asian routes is 'night and day' superior to international and domestic routes on North American carriers.

It is just a different attitude.

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It is the difference in culture. US citizens believe it is all about "me"! In Asian countries it is all about "you"!

This attitude is not just displayed by service workers, but by their patrons too (in both countries).

dsimon Dec 5, 2002 9:20 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Princess12345:
The SQ FAs also has youth and vigor on their side! They seem much more sprightly and energetic, compared to the matrons found aboard much US metal. (I have been told TWA were the worst!)

IP:

Yes 25$ goes a long way in their country. And it may also have something to do with the fact that they are provided a set of Louis Vuitton luggage.
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What does youth and vigor have to do with the ability to smile and look someone in the eyes when you talk to them?

Also, what does the fact that they are provided with Louis Vuitton luggage have to do with courtesy? Do you think that if they did not receive the luggage, that they would be more inclined to be surly to their customers? Do you think that if CO (or any NA carrier, for that matter) received 'fashionable' luggage that it would be additional motivation to perform the job to the best of their abilities?

In every job, people have bad days and perhaps it reflects on their work. I do, and I am sure others do as well, but I sure as heck make sure that I don't project it on to the people that help to take care of my livelihood or that of my family. When I go to the galley to get a glass of water because no one has been through the cabin for an hour, I do not expect to be met with rolling eyes and made to feel like I am putting them out.

Again, on the whole most CO FAs I have come across have been wonderful, but there are some who clearly appear like they would rather be elsewhere or doing something else.




[This message has been edited by dsimon (edited 12-08-2002).]

dsimon Dec 5, 2002 9:25 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by OpenOncePourTwice:
It is the difference in culture. US citizens believe it is all about "me"! In Asian countries it is all about "you"!

This attitude is not just displayed by service workers, but by their patrons too (in both countries).
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That's a fairly blanket statement, don't you think?

In my experience, Asian carriers just seem to have more of a can do attitude about their work. Just my experience only, for what it's worth.

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AustinBear Dec 5, 2002 10:29 am

I'm surprised no one has mention pride of work. Perhaps they pick up the trash from the trays because they want to do the best job they can? Period.

While much of what was said regarding cultures may be true, there are plenty of US companies whose employees disply pride of work. As with most companies, some of CO's employees do, some don't...On a board like this you're going to hear most about those who don't.

Buster CT1K Dec 10, 2002 5:29 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Princess12345:
I can assure you that our bf mixed nuts are just that...mixed nuts. Not just cashews, not just almonds but a plethora of choice. They are boarded bulk in a silver pan and divided up into your individual ramekins. As far as asia flights go, if it is any insight, the flight attendants that fly these flights are very senior. Basically that is all they fly one or two Hong Kongs per month. So I would not say that this group of FA's is a fair representation of Continental FA'S. My seniority is 10 years and I can not touch a Hong Kong flight with a 10 foot pole. So if your service is slow or you feel that the FA's are bitter they probably are. These woman have been flying for 35+ years. I am sorry, that is just how things happen in the airline industry. After 35 years of shelling out chicken or beef in such a turbulent industry, with no prospects of a decent retirement would make anyone bitter. Yes we all have a choice, and fortunately for me by livelihood does not depend on the realtively small checks that I bring home. However for some people it does.So having only cashews, is a very small problem in the grand scheme of things.</font>
Princess, thank you for describing the seniority system. But I think the point is that it doesn't matter what the system is: if it sucks, the system should be changed! Perhaps FAs are powerless to change the system but management ought to be reading this thread. If there is a systemic problem with the premium routes being staffed by the wrong people, then the system is mucked up and needs repair QUICK.

OpenOncePourTwice Dec 12, 2002 11:05 am

What do you think about this "Asian" service situation?

CX FA vs Japanese Businessman

venk Dec 12, 2002 11:34 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by OpenOncePourTwice:
What do you think about this "Asian" service situation?
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I am not sure I understand the motivation of this question. It does not look like a "service" related issue to me. Simply a passenger being a "jerk". It doesn't help that there is a legacy of denigration of women in the Japanese society (amongst other societies) that some men still follow in this day and age to lead to such behavior. I think one month of jail time is too lenient in these cases regardless of the nationality of the passenger.

Perhaps the solution is for CO and CX to swap their FAs. Such businessmen will get broken noses and CO customers will get great service. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif Sorry, just kidding.


dsimon Dec 12, 2002 11:38 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by OpenOncePourTwice:
What do you think about this "Asian" service situation?

CX FA vs Japanese Businessman
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What does this have to do with service on CX?

I don't understand your premise. Please explain.


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