CO applies for IAH-EZE
Apr 26, 2005 | 2:28 pm
#16
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Originally Posted by MBM3
Yet another downgrade to Europe? Where oh where does my 767 come from ?
Apr 26, 2005 | 2:35 pm
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Originally Posted by cova
The 753s do not have the range for international. They can only replace domestic 752's, but if you need more 777's for China, and more 767's for South America and Europe - DL has those.
NWA runs the 753 to Hawai'i and it has a range of 3,395 nautical miles VS the 752 which has a range of 3,900 nautical miles. Depending on the flight its a minor difference. It just depends on how the aircraft is used. Sticking somee extra fuel tanks on the 753 and those puppies COULD make it across the pond...
Originally Posted by cptlflyer
A 752 isn't necessarily a downgrade from a 762... except for the lousy BF seats (which entropy tells us are in the process of being upgraded), the 752 actually holds more pax... and, the BF service on the narrow bodies, IMHO, is better.
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Apr 26, 2005 | 2:38 pm
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Originally Posted by vincom
NWA runs the 753 to Hawai'i and it has a range of 3,395 nautical miles VS the 752 which has a range of 3,900 nautical miles. Depending on the flight its a minor difference. It just depends on how the aircraft is used. Sticking somee extra fuel tanks on the 753 and those puppies COULD make it across the pond...
-Vincent
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Apr 26, 2005 | 2:39 pm
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Originally Posted by MBM3
What else is required to garner the ETOPS certificate? I know it requires an upgraded maintenance program but I am hazy on the details.
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Apr 26, 2005 | 2:42 pm
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Originally Posted by cptlflyer
A 752 isn't necessarily a downgrade from a 762... except for the lousy BF seats (which entropy tells us are in the process of being upgraded), the 752 actually holds more pax... and, the BF service on the narrow bodies, IMHO, is better.
Coach is an entirely different story, but one - IMHO - that is more personal preference than harsh reality. Considering that most coach passengers do not have an idea of what they are flying until the safety demonstration, I believe that if the price is competative they will fly almost anything over the pond.
Apr 26, 2005 | 2:47 pm
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Originally Posted by MBM3
What else is required to garner the ETOPS certificate? I know it requires an upgraded maintenance program but I am hazy on the details.
Apr 26, 2005 | 2:47 pm
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Originally Posted by MBM3
I still think the 752 seats are decent and I too agree that the service is better.
Coach is an entirely different story, but one - IMHO - that is more personal preference than harsh reality. Considering that most coach passengers do not have an idea of what they are flying until the safety demonstration, I believe that if the price is competative they will fly almost anything over the pond.
Coach is an entirely different story, but one - IMHO - that is more personal preference than harsh reality. Considering that most coach passengers do not have an idea of what they are flying until the safety demonstration, I believe that if the price is competative they will fly almost anything over the pond.
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Apr 26, 2005 | 3:22 pm
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I would prefer a 757 on this route, as then free upgrades would be a possibility. However, just having another airline flying into EZE would be much nicer. I'm flying Copa there and it's a bit of a hassle, for sure.
The fares to EZE from PHX is often 1000 or more, which is just high compared to the mileage involved. Competition is good.
The fares to EZE from PHX is often 1000 or more, which is just high compared to the mileage involved. Competition is good.
Apr 26, 2005 | 3:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Jaimito Cartero
I would prefer a 757 on this route, as then free upgrades would be a possibility...
Apr 26, 2005 | 3:56 pm
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Originally Posted by J.Edward
Do you think CO is going with the 767 over the 757 FC (not BF) because they want to offer a product that can compete with DL's BE?
Apr 26, 2005 | 6:55 pm
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Originally Posted by J.Edward
Do you think CO is going with the 767 over the 757 FC (not BF) because they want to offer a product that can compete with DL's BE?
The CO press release makes specific reference to BF. I wouldn't expect them to offer a domestic-configured plane on this longhaul route.
Apr 26, 2005 | 9:28 pm
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The 752 does not have the range to fly IAH to EZE. It takes a 767ER.
Apr 26, 2005 | 9:54 pm
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Both CO (IAH-EZE) and DL (JFK-EZE) are now trying to wrest seven of UA's unused frequencies to Argentina. Expect UA to put up a fight (and perhaps AA to seek UA's slots for a third daily MIA-EZE).
Apr 26, 2005 | 10:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Jaimito Cartero
I can't say I know the answer to this. I'm flying this route next week on Delta, but on the back of the bus. Maybe I can peek up front and compare and contrast for you.
The widget's BE is not that great on the 767 the seats are considerably narrower than Continental's and I think only 1 in wider than coach...
I will pray for you. (I HATE DELTA)...
-Vincent