Connection Rules
Jan 18, 2002 | 7:45 am
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Connection Rules
I am making a trip from EWR-SEA with a couple of people that will originate in ORF. Since we all will fly CO I will make sure that they connect in EWR so we can fly out together. I want to try and get them on the last flight ORF-EWR on 5/23, spend the night in the NY area, then take the first flight out EWR-SEA on 5/24. The CO rep advised me that I cannot do this since this connection was not made as a "linked itinerary" in the computers.
Does the airline computer actually only approve certain pairs of connections? Or can you make any connection you want as long as you follow the rules (like I am trying to do).
Thanks.
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EWR CO Platinum
Does the airline computer actually only approve certain pairs of connections? Or can you make any connection you want as long as you follow the rules (like I am trying to do).
Thanks.
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EWR CO Platinum
Jan 18, 2002 | 8:04 am
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yes, the computer looks for whats called "marriage logic". (now THERE's an oxymoron) it looks for connection legalities, and the standard rule is anything over 4 hours is a stopover, not a connection.
"marriage logic" also works on revenue. if you look at ITN or another site that actually shows the fare buckets you'll see what i mean. for example, you may be looking for a Q fare from ORF to LGW, w/ a connection at EWR. There may be Q seats on the ORF-EWR flight, and on the EWR-LGW flight, but none when you look at ORF-EWR-LGW. thats "marriage logic" at work.
looking back at my post, maybe it is aptly named!
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"marriage logic" also works on revenue. if you look at ITN or another site that actually shows the fare buckets you'll see what i mean. for example, you may be looking for a Q fare from ORF to LGW, w/ a connection at EWR. There may be Q seats on the ORF-EWR flight, and on the EWR-LGW flight, but none when you look at ORF-EWR-LGW. thats "marriage logic" at work.
looking back at my post, maybe it is aptly named!
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Bad Gordon!
No Freddie for you!
Jan 18, 2002 | 8:07 am
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But what I am trying to do is legal, right? The only reason the layover is more than 4 hours is because it is the last flight of the day.
Jan 18, 2002 | 8:16 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by mlawless:
But what I am trying to do is legal, right? The only reason the layover is more than 4 hours is because it is the last flight of the day.</font>
But what I am trying to do is legal, right? The only reason the layover is more than 4 hours is because it is the last flight of the day.</font>
i'm afraid the computer doesn't see it that way. it sees it as a stopover in EWR, then travelling on to SEA the following day. the computer sees it as the same thing as if you'd fly to EW in the morning, stayover for 4:01, then go on to SEA that evening. the "marriage logic" doesn't look at it that way. CO could manually override it for you, but the chances of getting anything but "enhaanced" right now is slim...
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Jan 18, 2002 | 8:18 am
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what you are trying to do is a "forced layover" a.k.a. "free stopover"
I think this link might help:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/001041.html
it is "legal" but you need to be creative in booking it...
[This message has been edited by EWR-COflyer (edited 01-18-2002).]
I think this link might help:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/001041.html
it is "legal" but you need to be creative in booking it...
[This message has been edited by EWR-COflyer (edited 01-18-2002).]
Jan 18, 2002 | 9:07 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by EWR-COflyer:
what you are trying to do is a "forced layover" a.k.a. "free stopover"
I think this link might help:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/001041.html
it is "legal" but you need to be creative in booking it...
[This message has been edited by EWR-COflyer (edited 01-18-2002).]</font>
what you are trying to do is a "forced layover" a.k.a. "free stopover"
I think this link might help:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/001041.html
it is "legal" but you need to be creative in booking it...
[This message has been edited by EWR-COflyer (edited 01-18-2002).]</font>
Jan 18, 2002 | 3:29 pm
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Yes, overnight stopovers are legal because the actual rule is you must depart the intermediate point within 4 hours or on the next available flight, whichever is sooner.