Another HoKeY gotcha
Nov 2, 2001 | 6:40 pm
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Another HoKeY gotcha
Was trying to confirm EWR-AMS/FCO-EWR tonight.
Was quoted an H fare. I asked about K, "sorry the K fares can't be combined with those cities". (of course, the Q fares can.)
Then I'm advised that EWR-AMS is totally sold out in BizFirst. (No J seats either.)
"Can I get a Q or T fare on the outbound since I can't upgrade it?"
"No. The H can't be combined with the Q."
So in order to upgrade the return leg, I have to do the HoKeY on the outbound even though the chances of being upgraded are slim.
#$%@#$@#
Any suggestions on workarounds?
[This message has been edited by rocky (edited 11-02-2001).]
Was quoted an H fare. I asked about K, "sorry the K fares can't be combined with those cities". (of course, the Q fares can.)
Then I'm advised that EWR-AMS is totally sold out in BizFirst. (No J seats either.)
"Can I get a Q or T fare on the outbound since I can't upgrade it?"
"No. The H can't be combined with the Q."
So in order to upgrade the return leg, I have to do the HoKeY on the outbound even though the chances of being upgraded are slim.
#$%@#$@#
Any suggestions on workarounds?
[This message has been edited by rocky (edited 11-02-2001).]
Nov 2, 2001 | 6:51 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by rocky:
Any suggestions on workarounds?
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Any suggestions on workarounds?
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Nov 2, 2001 | 8:17 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by rocky:
Then I'm advised that EWR-AMS is totally sold out in BizFirst. (No J seats either.)
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Then I'm advised that EWR-AMS is totally sold out in BizFirst. (No J seats either.)
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Nov 2, 2001 | 8:58 pm
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I have never heard of this #$% 
&*$# .........so I recommend you do this in the exact listed order:
(1) hang up
(2) pour a stiff drink and take a long sip
(3) redial and start over
(4) repeat (1) to (3) until you get satisfaction *OR* check a nicer carrier to/from Europe
MisterNice
&*$# .........so I recommend you do this in the exact listed order:(1) hang up
(2) pour a stiff drink and take a long sip
(3) redial and start over
(4) repeat (1) to (3) until you get satisfaction *OR* check a nicer carrier to/from Europe
MisterNice
Nov 2, 2001 | 9:15 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JonNYC:
How 'bout NW?
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How 'bout NW?
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Sounds like that could be a nice slogan for CO elites for a while.
Nov 2, 2001 | 9:42 pm
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How 'bout NW?
I like it! It's catchy. How 'bout NW
But seriously, rocky, what are your dates of travel? I think it's possible you could get an upgradeable fare on NW for about $1000 (or non-upgradable for $380ish.)
[This message has been edited by JonNYC (edited 11-02-2001).]
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NJDavid:
Sounds like that could be a nice slogan for CO elites for a while.</font>
Sounds like that could be a nice slogan for CO elites for a while.</font>
But seriously, rocky, what are your dates of travel? I think it's possible you could get an upgradeable fare on NW for about $1000 (or non-upgradable for $380ish.)
[This message has been edited by JonNYC (edited 11-02-2001).]
Nov 3, 2001 | 5:22 am
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My dates are 10NOV for EWR-AMS and 21 for FCO-EWR.
I forgot to have them check a routing through CDG ... if I'm paying for the upgradable, I may as well at get the upgrade. And then I won't be on a 7-5 across the pond.
I forgot to have them check a routing through CDG ... if I'm paying for the upgradable, I may as well at get the upgrade. And then I won't be on a 7-5 across the pond.
Nov 3, 2001 | 5:40 am
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I just went through the rules of combinability for K fares (as listed in Worldspan) and didn't find a word about it being non-combinable with an H fare on an open jaw.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">
COMBINABILITY
ADD-ONS PERMITTED.
END-ON-END
END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE
COMPONENTS. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT OF COMBINATION.
END-ON-END NOTE -
FARES USED IN COMBINATION MUST BE SHOWN SEPARATELY
ON THE TICKET.
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD FARES
-TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD FARES.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY REGULAR APEX/SUPER/SPECIAL
APEX/SECOND LEVEL SUPER/SPECIAL APEX/APEX
NONREFUNDABLE/ROUND TRIP INSTANT PURCHASE/SUPER/SPECIAL
INSTANT PURCHASE/INSTANT PURCHASE NONREFUNDABLE-TYPE
FARES FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF
IPRA - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2
IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL.
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH CO
FARES
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD FARES
-TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD FARES.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY ROUND TRIP FARE IN ANY RULE
IN TARIFF
IPRA - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2.
</font>
COMBINABILITY
ADD-ONS PERMITTED.
END-ON-END
END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE
COMPONENTS. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT OF COMBINATION.
END-ON-END NOTE -
FARES USED IN COMBINATION MUST BE SHOWN SEPARATELY
ON THE TICKET.
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD FARES
-TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD FARES.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY REGULAR APEX/SUPER/SPECIAL
APEX/SECOND LEVEL SUPER/SPECIAL APEX/APEX
NONREFUNDABLE/ROUND TRIP INSTANT PURCHASE/SUPER/SPECIAL
INSTANT PURCHASE/INSTANT PURCHASE NONREFUNDABLE-TYPE
FARES FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF
IPRA - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2
IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL.
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH CO
FARES
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD FARES
-TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS EXCEPT FOR AROUND-THE-WORLD FARES.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY ROUND TRIP FARE IN ANY RULE
IN TARIFF
IPRA - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2.
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Nov 3, 2001 | 12:04 pm
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Fly AA or UA, two airlines that don't give their loyal customers a royal screwing when it comes to international upgrades.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by rocky:
#$%@#$@#
Any suggestions on workarounds?</font>
#$%@#$@#
Any suggestions on workarounds?</font>
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Nov 5, 2001 | 10:34 pm
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This is getting really annoying. The computers don't seem to be programmed to handle these types of requests. Every time I call, it takes about 20 minutes ... the computer won't price it, they've got to call a supervisor and then the rate desk.
What a ludicrous pain in the butt.
What a ludicrous pain in the butt.