I sleep on my side and the BF seats are tough to find a position to sleep in. The "full recline" one touch button makes me feel as if I am going to slide down to the floor. The "cradle" is OK but once I flip on my side it isn't.
Any advice??

Your not the only one that feels like your going to slide out.. infact, I figured that is why BF seats are not leather as it might really happen then!

Since it's often called the BendForward cabin, I think that pretty much tells you how you're supposed to sit.

I have the same problem side-sleeping in both new and old BF seats. One thing I always bring along now is a standard sized down pillow. In the old BF seats, I place the BF pillow in the L part of the cradle position (the crease?), and use my down pillow for my head. If you are lucky enough to be able to get an extra BF pillow, it helps even more (you can even use a book under the pillow). In the new BF seats, I often will stick a pillow under my ankles in the full "flat" position. I don't know if it really helps with the sliding, but it seems to help me feel more secure in the seat. I often put the BF pillow under my knees or calves when sitting with the legrest up as well. The down pillow is great, it's very light, rolls up pretty small, and fits in my carryon well; plus I have it for my destination (I am a little spoiled by my pillow!) The one I have designated for travel is one of my older ones, cleaned well, but a little less pouffy than a new one, in a colored case so that it doesn't get mixed up with hotel linens..

I feel for you, being a side sleeper is tough on CO aircraft!

Robin

I found the pure-flat to be only so-so even on my side. I found going to (in full seated mode) max back recline, and max leg up, followed by letting it creep towards recline (by hitting the recline button and then hitting it again after a few moments) yielded the best recliner position.

Steve

I'm also a side sleeper and have little luck with the 777 BF seat. I feel like I'm falling out in full recline, either on my back or side. The only thing that has worked consitently well for me is the combination of the cradle position, a few glasses of wine with dinner, and 10mg of Ambien.

WOW! I never knew so many had this problem!!
All I ever see are either fully snoozing or loudly talking people

I like the bulkhead seats so I can prop my heels on the top of the magazine pouch. That and the wall help secure myself.

However, I will gladly toss and turn in BF rather than the contorted torture of Y.

I think that is applicable more to the position one has to assume to get into BusinessFirst (via upgrade) rather than the position you need to be in once you're there.

- extend the headrest; it will provide more length as well as a pouch to burry your hand/arm when grasping the pillow
- start cranial and slide down slowly and caudally, till you find a small crest which prevents sliding down further
- do not remove your shoes; by enhancing resistance, it will help you finding the crest
- do not accept the full recline position as a true full recline. You will be amazed how much you will gain with a bit of "fiddling around" with the buttons. Sometimes going back from cradle to full upright before full recline is necessary. (and yes, it might look if one does not know how to handle the buttons; but it is worth it)
- remove your wallet when located in the back pouch
- the above works (satisfactory) for both 767 and 777

and other carriers to provide this seat. Unfortunately, being in my 40's, I no longer get a thrill from a "Slide" In truth, I find this seat annoying as a side sleeper and short of establishing base camp and bringing with me rope and tackle (are these allowed under Homeland security regs)?......I have to put the setting to cradke which is surely defeating the object?

Has anyone used (in comparison) the NW new seats on the A330 with a declared incline of 176 degrees against CO's 170 degrees, and if so, have the extra 6 degrees made a difference.

No smutty comments now.....

Thanks as always for your observations.....

I recently flew DTW-CDG on a brand new NW A330 in WBC for the first time. I slept wonderfully and mostly on my side. Beats B/F in almost every way (ie the ammenity kits are crappier, but everything else is nicer).

MisterNice

I take it you have experienced the CO B/F seat with incline of 170 degrees. Are you saying the extra 6 degrees on NW made a noticeable difference?

Thanks

Tom

I honestly cannot say whether it was the (reported) 6 deg, the seat newness, the seat padding, the internal seat construction, the seat width (WBC certainly feels narrower but at about 158 lb I fit into most seats fairly fine)), the fabric etc. Historically I have flown B/F approx 100+ RT's (guessing here) and first flew it six (6) days after it first was introduced a few years ago. Also IMHO the older CO B757 and B767 are nicer (read: more comfy) than the newer "greased-fabric" B777 B/F seats too.

CO once lead the field with their B/F seats-n-service (read about in FT CO a few years ago). Unfortunately I think they have lost that lead (and the $$$ of this former very frequent CO flyer).

MisterNice

I am not particularly good at geometry and space and such... but given the huge objective and subjective difference in comfort between 170 degrees and 180 degrees - would they have had to take out a whole row of seats or what in order to accommodate fully flat?

Is it simply space or some other economics involved here?

Alec in PVD

currently pretty much grounded