Community
Wiki Posts
Search

NRT Pre-board security

 
Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 9, 2012 | 8:26 am
  #16  
Moderator: Avis and Rental Cars
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 8,070
This is a fairly common process. I've ducked out of the procedure a handful of time (not because I have anything to hide, but bc I don't want to waste my time there if I don't have to) by either typing on my phone and/or not even turning my head when they call for you to come over. If there are 3-5 agents at the table and all but 1 are with someone, I've found it relatively easy to scoot past. The next kettle behind me will gladly walk over when called
IAHtraveler is offline  
Old Jan 9, 2012 | 10:26 am
  #17  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
20 Countries Visited
2M
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: DAY
Programs: UA 1K 1MM; Marriott LT Titanium; Amex MR; Chase UR; Hertz PC; Global Entry
Posts: 11,454
Originally Posted by Steve M
Actually, we can. My understanding is that these gate checks are required because the regular security at those airports doesn't meet TSA requirements: among other things, shoes and belts don't need to be removed at NRT.
My understanding was that ALL flights to US were required to have secondary / gate screening. I didn't think it was related to the standards of the specific airport....

While I do not go through a wide variety of international airports, I can't recall any US bound flights from any airport where "extra" security was not apparent.

Is there any US bound flight that is not subjected to the extra "security" check?
goodeats21 is offline  
Old Jan 9, 2012 | 11:04 am
  #18  
1M
40 Countries Visited
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Washington, DC
Programs: UA Plat & 1MM, AA, DL
Posts: 8,710
Originally Posted by N1120A
PVG does everyone, so that makes it easier.
PEK frisks bags but not people in my experience. Mainly a liquids check, which is particularly odd given they do check for liquids at security.
drewguy is offline  
Old Jan 9, 2012 | 1:53 pm
  #19  
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: englewood nj
Posts: 123
Originally Posted by JasperVal
Going HKG to GUM, we cleared security, but had a several hour wait due to a flight delay. We picked up a few bottles of water post security for the plane. After they finally started boarding, we walked down the jetway. Just prior to getting on the plane there was a security officer there who went through our bag, confiscating our water bottle. I thought it was odd, since we had already cleared security, but figured it was only done on US bound flights.
guam is a U.S. destination
this secondary check has been going on since the bojinka plot of 1995 where terrorists plotted to blow 12 airliners from asia to the us overwater
drwoo is offline  
Old Jan 9, 2012 | 2:31 pm
  #20  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Posts: 24,150
Originally Posted by bocastephen
Why do they require connecting passengers to re-clear security? That is just nuts
I guess you never transfered in Europe. They treat you as if you just showed up at the airport and not that you just flew in, I believe from 1 EU Country to another you wont hit taht n, no different then landing at the UA term in LAX and you are connecting to SFO

I understand it since not every Country is careful with their screenings, so how do you tell someone arriving say from Lagos you need to be rescreened , you coming in from NY just walk by
craz is offline  
Old Jan 9, 2012 | 3:17 pm
  #21  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
20 Countries Visited2M25 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Ewa Beach, Hawaii
Posts: 10,977
Originally Posted by IAHtraveler
This is a fairly common process. I've ducked out of the procedure a handful of time (not because I have anything to hide, but bc I don't want to waste my time there if I don't have to) by either typing on my phone and/or not even turning my head when they call for you to come over. If there are 3-5 agents at the table and all but 1 are with someone, I've found it relatively easy to scoot past. The next kettle behind me will gladly walk over when called
And I have seen at NRT people try just what you say and sometimes they get physically grabbed (gently) by the arm and escorted over to the extra screening.
Baze is offline  
Old Jan 10, 2012 | 1:58 am
  #22  
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: BOS
Programs: UA 1K/1MM, DL PM/1MM, Marriott Amb/LT Titanium, HHonors Gold, Priority Club Platinum, Hyatt Disc
Posts: 523
Originally Posted by drewguy
PEK frisks bags but not people in my experience. Mainly a liquids check, which is particularly odd given they do check for liquids at security.
That happened to us at PEK too. They had a table set up in the jetway and went through all our carry on bags confiscating liquids acquired in the airport. it would have been nice if we had been warned ahead of time.

A few years ago, I was stopped on the jetway in SFO to have my newly purchased bottle of water (20 sec prior from a few feet away from the gate) opened and checked. Now I put my water in my bag before attempting to board
wtigerFF is offline  
Old Jan 10, 2012 | 3:59 am
  #23  
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Programs: MP 1K
Posts: 78
Originally Posted by drwoo
guam is a U.S. destination
this secondary check has been going on since the bojinka plot of 1995 where terrorists plotted to blow 12 airliners from asia to the us overwater
I'm sorry, my first post rather poorly worded. I certainly do agree Guam is a US destination. My thought process was more like "That's odd...why are they doing another screening now? Oh...it must just be extra security only for US flights [of which GUM is one]".
JasperVal is offline  
Old Jan 10, 2012 | 4:32 am
  #24  
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: HNL
Programs: 1MM
Posts: 1,583
Thanks for the info.

I'm NRT outbound next Saturday and I usually buy water post-security to take along. I did a domestic Japan flight HND-OKA while I'm here and I was surprised they allowed me to bring three bottles of water on board the plane. They even had a little machine that specifially scans bottles of liquid. It was weird.

Also, completely OT, but HND security is amazingly well-manned and extremely efficient. Not to mention the ANA boarding process.
love_to_travel is offline  
Old Jan 10, 2012 | 5:50 am
  #25  
Senior Moderator, Moderator: Community Buzz and Ambassador: Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners)
1M
50 Countries Visited
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 150km from MAN
Programs: LH SEN** HH Diamond
Posts: 30,429
Originally Posted by craz
I guess you never transfered in Europe. They treat you as if you just showed up at the airport and not that you just flew in, I believe from 1 EU Country to another you wont hit taht n, no different then landing at the UA term in LAX and you are connecting to SFO

I understand it since not every Country is careful with their screenings, so how do you tell someone arriving say from Lagos you need to be rescreened , you coming in from NY just walk by
If you arrive in Germany from the US, you won't have to go through security before your connecting flight. (There are some exceptions, however, in FRA if you arrive at B or C gates.)

Originally Posted by JasperVal
Oh...it must just be extra security only for US flights [of which GUM is one]".
Yes, that might be the case as requested by US authorities. I fly out of NRT regularly to Europe on *A carriers and have never come across security procedures like those described in this thread.

Originally Posted by love_to_travel
I did a domestic Japan flight HND-OKA while I'm here and I was surprised they allowed me to bring three bottles of water on board the plane. They even had a little machine that specifially scans bottles of liquid. It was weird.
AFAIK there's no restriction on liquid in hand luggage on Japanese domestic flights.
NewbieRunner is online now  
Old Jan 11, 2012 | 11:25 pm
  #26  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: SZX/HKG/BWI
Programs: UA 1K 1.1MM, CX Diam 1.0MM, Bonvoy LT Titanium, Hertz PC, MGM Pearl
Posts: 2,637
Originally Posted by bocastephen
Why do they require connecting passengers to re-clear security? That is just nuts

I've done the gate check dance with the TSA for years, so I know how to scan the situation and avoid them - the Japanese version shouldn't be any different.

What might concern me is connection security making a fuss over carry-on size - how strict are they at these checkpoints? I don't want to get into an argument about a 22" carry-on that went just fine out of the US and out of Taiwan, but all of a sudden is too big for my connecting flight to Taiwan or back to the US.
I was told by a former NW pilot who flew to/from NRT: The historic answer would trace back to Air India flight 182 circa 1985, which broke apart in midair due to a bomb. The bomber had another device which was to take down another flight but it exploded in transit at Tokyo Narita. The re-clearing security for all passengers was implemented since that incident.

As for the gate-check security part, it does not pay to be the 1st in that line. Definitely also need to dress inconspicuously, that is my 2 cents.
mjcewl1284 is offline  
Old Jan 13, 2012 | 9:40 am
  #27  
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: United Mileage Plus
Posts: 64
Yes, I believe this is true. I've seen secondary security search points at the gate for most of the international flights I've been on. I believe the US Department of Homeland Security has requested this at international airports abroad.

The most invasive security screening I've ever undergone was in Frankfurt, Germany. Went through the metal detector, wanded by the security officers, got a pat-down, had my bags cracked open for a hand search, then they swabbed my camera for explosives.

I was escorted to a little room where the sample was tested for any traces of explosive residue. After clearing that, they selected me at the gate for their randon security inspection. They went through the pat down again and cracked open my luggage for another thorough check.

That probably took a good 15-minutes, and I was among the last ones to hop on a bus out to the remote stand to a completely full 777 that was waiting on us. Talk about security theater!
itstimetofly is offline  
Old Jan 13, 2012 | 3:16 pm
  #28  
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Programs: UA/CO, SPG, Hyatt
Posts: 162
Originally Posted by nova08
This happened to me in PEK about 2 years ago. I purchased a bottle of water for the long nonstop to EWR and when we boarded I discovered that all liquids had to be thrown away, even if they were purchased in the airport.
Same thing happened to me at HKG recently. Now we know ..
kyte is offline  
Old Jan 13, 2012 | 6:22 pm
  #29  
1M
40 Countries Visited
100 Nights
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: DAL
Programs: UA 1K AA EXP Hyatt Globalist Hilton Diamond
Posts: 634
Originally Posted by goodeats21
My understanding was that ALL flights to US were required to have secondary / gate screening. I didn't think it was related to the standards of the specific airport....

While I do not go through a wide variety of international airports, I can't recall any US bound flights from any airport where "extra" security was not apparent.

Is there any US bound flight that is not subjected to the extra "security" check?
I'm not going to list airports on here. But I know some that don't do it. Last year the only airport that I saw secondary screening at the gate when boarding was HKG to USA. All the rest of my flights to the USA didn't. Some you can keep your shoes on going through security and these are flights to USA. I won't forget HKG because they kept stealing everyone water, but on my second flight I brought 5 bottles on as I have a secret compartment in my bag. I drink tons of water on that flight.

I have the say the worst thing I ever seen was in Newark where they had ICE agent in the jetway with dogs and all on a flight to HKG. The were questioning lots of people many ICE agents all up and down the jetbridge. I was asked if I was taking more than 10K out of the country in cash. I LOL.. I guess I must look like I smuggle money or something.
CO777DAL is offline  
Old Jan 13, 2012 | 6:26 pm
  #30  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
30 Countries Visited
1M
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Northeast Kansas | Colorado Native
Programs: Amex Gold/Plat, UA *G, Hyatt Globalist, IHG Plat Marriott LT Gold, NEXUS, TSA Disparager Unobtanium
Posts: 22,656
Originally Posted by CO777DAL
I have the say the worst thing I ever seen was in Newark where they had ICE agent in the jetway with dogs and all on a flight to HKG. The were questioning lots of people many ICE agents all up and down the jetbridge. I was asked if I was taking more than 10K out of the country in cash. I LOL.. I guess I must look like I smuggle money or something.
This happened to use on ORD-PVG (AA). Ten agents on the jet-bridge, checking passports ten feet from the AA passport check

As a US citizen, I breezed through. Lot's of foreigners were harassed, though.
FriendlySkies is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.