Same flight number for outbound and return
Jan 5, 2012 | 2:11 pm
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Same flight number for outbound and return
I noticed the other day that CO #1219 flies EWR-PBI at 8am and then returns, also as CO #1219 from PBI-EWR at 12pm. When looking up flight information on CO.com, you get:
Is this common? How is this "allowed"? Seems quite confusing operationally.
Continental Flight 1219
There are multiple segments for this flight. To receive flight and gate status information, please specify a segment.
New York/Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty) to West Palm Beach, FL (PBI)
West Palm Beach, FL (PBI) to New York/Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty)
There are multiple segments for this flight. To receive flight and gate status information, please specify a segment.
New York/Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty) to West Palm Beach, FL (PBI)
West Palm Beach, FL (PBI) to New York/Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty)
Jan 5, 2012 | 2:18 pm
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Becoming more common. Solution to a flight number shortage.
Also it's possible for both to be in the air at the same time.
Also it's possible for both to be in the air at the same time.
Jan 5, 2012 | 2:37 pm
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Jan 5, 2012 | 2:41 pm
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Jan 5, 2012 | 3:31 pm
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ANZ does it almost daily with flight 1 in UK and NZ airspace at the same time.
Jan 5, 2012 | 3:32 pm
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That is incorrect. Although UAL will usually put a suffix alpha character, it is common to operate two in the ATC system at the same time.
http://flightaware.com/about/faq.rvt#twoflights
http://flightaware.com/about/faq.rvt#twoflights
Why does FlightAware show two airlines flights operating simultaneously with the same flight number? Is that possible?
Unfortunately, this is not a bug. It seems that some airlines occasionally have duplicate flight numbers in the air at the same time with different origins and destinations. When tracking a flight that is in the air twice, the arrival/departure history will be accurate but the position, speed, and altitude will be unreliable.
Unfortunately, this is not a bug. It seems that some airlines occasionally have duplicate flight numbers in the air at the same time with different origins and destinations. When tracking a flight that is in the air twice, the arrival/departure history will be accurate but the position, speed, and altitude will be unreliable.
Jan 5, 2012 | 3:47 pm
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That is incorrect. Although UAL will usually put a suffix alpha character, it is common to operate two in the ATC system at the same time.
http://flightaware.com/about/faq.rvt#twoflights
http://flightaware.com/about/faq.rvt#twoflights
Flight number and call sign are different though.
Jan 5, 2012 | 3:51 pm
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Common practice for PMUA - especially United Express segments. I guess it wasn't as common on PMCO.
Jan 5, 2012 | 5:51 pm
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This is really annoying as it drives all kinds of third-party status tracking tools (WorldMate/TripIt) nuts. Wish they wouldn't.
This is really annoying as it drives all kinds of third-party status tracking tools (WorldMate/TripIt) nuts. Wish they wouldn't.
Jan 5, 2012 | 7:15 pm
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I think even direct one-stop flights were relatively uncommon on CO. Let alone a EWR-EWR itinerary with a stop in PBI.
Jan 5, 2012 | 7:57 pm
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Yeah, I noticed reference to this in a thread linked above in the PMUA forum from several years ago. (When I had zero interest whatsoever in reading that forum...although I still really don't...)
I think even direct one-stop flights were relatively uncommon on CO. Let alone a EWR-EWR itinerary with a stop in PBI.
I think even direct one-stop flights were relatively uncommon on CO. Let alone a EWR-EWR itinerary with a stop in PBI.
Jan 5, 2012 | 8:28 pm
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(I wasn't sufficiently motivated to see if the fare would actually book on .bomb or CO.com. Also, identity of XXX is left as an exercise for the sufficiently motivated reader).
Jan 5, 2012 | 8:44 pm
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I noticed an interesting instance of this earlier today. Screwing around on ITA, looking for mileage runs, I noticed that XXX-BWI has a lot of routings that go XXX-IAH-EWR-BWI. Still not a good MR... except that there's a CO flight that goes IAH-SNA and then SNA-EWR, with the same flight number. And on ITA, it prices out the same as any other IAH-EWR -- for about 2000 extra miles.
(I wasn't sufficiently motivated to see if the fare would actually book on .bomb or CO.com. Also, identity of XXX is left as an exercise for the sufficiently motivated reader).
(I wasn't sufficiently motivated to see if the fare would actually book on .bomb or CO.com. Also, identity of XXX is left as an exercise for the sufficiently motivated reader).