E170s replacing ER4s?
Feb 3, 2011 | 8:15 pm
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E170s replacing ER4s?
Noticed starting Thursday 2/17, most flights on the EWR-MSP and EWR-DTW route are being flown on Shuttle America E170s...is this the start of the phase out of the ER4? Has anyone flown these planes? How are they? What's the chance of an EUA on them since they only have 6 F seats? Is 2/17 a magic day in terms of fleet merging?
Feb 3, 2011 | 9:22 pm
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i don't know about the fleet merging or anything but i will say that i've been on UA E170's a few times and been EUA'd every time even as a lowly CO gold.
and whatever will get rid of those freaking ER4's... good lord i can't stand those stupid cramped planes.
and whatever will get rid of those freaking ER4's... good lord i can't stand those stupid cramped planes.
Feb 3, 2011 | 9:30 pm
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Feb 4, 2011 | 4:39 am
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Noticed starting Thursday 2/17, most flights on the EWR-MSP and EWR-DTW route are being flown on Shuttle America E170s...is this the start of the phase out of the ER4? Has anyone flown these planes? How are they? What's the chance of an EUA on them since they only have 6 F seats? Is 2/17 a magic day in terms of fleet merging?
2) That isn't a magic day. There are a lot of CO routes that are starting to be run by UAX. Seems to be one of the first really visible points of operational integration.
3) The UA routes on the E70 tend to be some of the easier ones to upgrade. I've been on flights that were not full in F, even after UDU came into the fold. No Channel 9, no IFE, but the planes themselves are quite nice and I find Shuttle America crews to be the best of any UAX ones.
Feb 4, 2011 | 5:40 am
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I was surprised (and pleased) to see these flights on the CO schedule. What happened to the Arbitration ruling, that said CO couldn't advertise these flights? Did that ruling just refer to CO codesharing E70 flights? I checked the EWR-STL route I flew on an E70 last month, and it's showing listed as a UA flight, but clearly showing the E70 equipment, right alongside the CO E40's. When I flew there the first week of January, the flight didn't appear on the schedule.
Whatever the reason, this is fantastic. It's a great ride, after years of cramped flying on the E40's. In F, seat 2A is comparable to or better than any other domestic CO FC seat (outside of the BF seats of course). And I got a pillow & blanket!
Whatever the reason, this is fantastic. It's a great ride, after years of cramped flying on the E40's. In F, seat 2A is comparable to or better than any other domestic CO FC seat (outside of the BF seats of course). And I got a pillow & blanket!
Feb 4, 2011 | 7:28 am
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These flights are actually under CO control, not UA control. The only thing UA about them is the flight number, plane, and crew. I have taken two of these flights from DFW to IAH and had EUA on both 5 days out. Also, seats are selected on co.com, not UA.com. And gate agents and checking are CO.
Feb 4, 2011 | 7:35 am
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These flights are actually under CO control, not UA control. The only thing UA about them is the flight number, plane, and crew. I have taken two of these flights from DFW to IAH and had EUA on both 5 days out. Also, seats are selected on co.com, not UA.com. And gate agents and checking are CO.
Feb 4, 2011 | 11:19 am
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Feb 4, 2011 | 2:27 pm
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Not a bad sign for the future of E+ IMO
I was rebooked on the E170 out of EWR after my connection in ORD was canceled due to flow control. It's really awesome to see a United Express plane being flown and managed by CO. I could be wrong, but technically these seem like the first planes flown as CO metal with fully intact Economy Plus seating. It may mean nothing as to the future of E+, but it's not a bad sign IMO.
I've always preferred E170s when flying United Express. They are the most comfortable IMO. And it's wonderful to be rebooked on the exact same equipment during irrops on a CO flight. I am pleasantly surprised.
I wonder if my 1K drink chits will work on this flight?
I've always preferred E170s when flying United Express. They are the most comfortable IMO. And it's wonderful to be rebooked on the exact same equipment during irrops on a CO flight. I am pleasantly surprised.
I wonder if my 1K drink chits will work on this flight?
Feb 4, 2011 | 2:36 pm
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Alternatively, I've got a couple of ER4 legs coming up on AUS-DEN. You win some, you lose some.
Feb 4, 2011 | 3:24 pm
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Interesting... as I was boarding the gate agent hands me a boarding pass for seat 1A. 
And of was weird that the boarding was done United style... I didn't hear a call for CO elites at all.
Crew is definitely United Airlines too...but with CO boarding passes. Weird!
And of was weird that the boarding was done United style... I didn't hear a call for CO elites at all.Crew is definitely United Airlines too...but with CO boarding passes. Weird!
Feb 4, 2011 | 4:39 pm
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On my flights on the CR7, all of the E+ seats are treated as premium seats (similar to the elite section on the 737) and available to all elites, but they are colored blue like the ELR seats (and sold as such to non-elites). The seats in Row 3 and the Exit Row are coded as the traditional ELR seats (only available to Plats/Golds in advance).
Feb 4, 2011 | 9:33 pm
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Any Republic Airways Holdings crew is usually pretty good.
Feb 9, 2011 | 2:22 pm
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