UA 1Ks Jumping the EUA Queue?
#16
Join Date: Apr 2009
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I think an equivalent concept is CR1 (or CRUs as United refers to them). CO elites use YB(M)-ups to confirm an upgrade outside the EUA-window without using miles; UA 1Ks use CR1s to confirm an upgrade outside the UDU-window without using miles.
Advantages of the CO system: any elite can do it with no limitation on the number of times that you can do so (for YB/plats for M), except for how much you're willing to pay for the premium.
Advantages of the UA system: if you're a 1K, it's limited to fellow 1Ks, so there's slightly less competition ahead of time, and you don't have to pay for a higher fare to be able to use them.
Disadvantages of the CO system: more expensive, no waitlisting, potentially more competition for the upgrade, I also assume if you've assembled an end-on-end fare where some segments are YBM and some segments are not, it only works for the YBM segments.
Disadvantages of the UA system: limited number of instruments, not really applicable to lower-level elites.
Advantages of the CO system: any elite can do it with no limitation on the number of times that you can do so (for YB/plats for M), except for how much you're willing to pay for the premium.
Advantages of the UA system: if you're a 1K, it's limited to fellow 1Ks, so there's slightly less competition ahead of time, and you don't have to pay for a higher fare to be able to use them.
Disadvantages of the CO system: more expensive, no waitlisting, potentially more competition for the upgrade, I also assume if you've assembled an end-on-end fare where some segments are YBM and some segments are not, it only works for the YBM segments.
Disadvantages of the UA system: limited number of instruments, not really applicable to lower-level elites.
#17
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Agree, but with an already unfavorable upgrade policy both on CO and UA, this just makes it all worse for CO elites. For all I care, UA elites are having it better on CO - favorable position on upgrade queue plus YBM UPs - so I just hope they would be more appreciative about it and not go on those "GS/1K should get upgraded ahead of Plats" in 2011 argument or complain how they get nothing in Y on CO...
Not to say CO doesn't have their strongpoints, they do. There's BF catering, and they don't have some of the procedural quirks that UA has (e.g., no mix/match on awards, paper VDB vouchers, etc.).
But overall, there's a lot in jeopardy for a 1K, and I think that's where a lot of the comments to which you refer are coming from.
Just look at the last round of program changes -- the "average" 1K is probably someone just a bit north of 100K miles. They lost four CR1s a year. Meanwhile, the "average" CO Plat is probably just north of 75K. They gained two CR1s a year. It's really a matter of perspective and what one is accustomed to. Of course one poster will likely be quick to point out that I don't have the data on what "average" is, but I think we have a good idea of what it is.
That said, any sort of perceived inequities are only short-term. "Mid-year" we'll have the faux levels -- Premier Exec 75K and Platinum 1K, which will presumably be treated equally across both carriers to address some of this. Think about the United 90K flyer who can't buy an M-Up at the moment because that's restricted to Plats and 1Ks, many of whom are Plats who flew just over 75K last year. Or think about that CO MM who has a spousal status match to Platinum because the MM is Platinum, flying UA for the first time, trumping some Premier Exec Million Miler who is lower in the ranks. Meanwhile that PremEx Million Miler's wife flies on CO with no status whatsoever and pays to check her bags.
There's lots of this stuff, from both sides, which will take time to work out.
This interim period was necessary to help calm things. Yes, it carries its other inequities as has been pointed out, but at the end of the day it's minor compared to how it would be if they were treating UA Elites on CO or CO Elites on UA with bare minimum *A perks.