Originally Posted by CALMSP (Post 14801823)

is this former FT'er claiming Hollywood told UA what to do with a subfleet of 757's??

Originally Posted by BryanIAH (Post 14802545)

The biggest question of all:

What route will be marked as Flight 1? It is currently IAH-HNL-GUM for CO and ORD-HNL for UA.

Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 14799535)

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Please expound on which part of my statement is false.

As much or better pitch throughout the cabin goes to B6.

IFE goes to B6.

Food goes to B6 IMO. Nice combination of free and BoB available.

The only thing p.s. offers over B6 is upgrade opportunities, but for folks without CR1s or SWU or miles to blow the whY experience on B6 is better.

Originally Posted by njcommodore (Post 14805318)

and wi-fi. I've flown PS and B6, I'll take PS any day and twice on Sunday.

Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 14791411)

Wow...a Baker's dozen of questions previously debated ad nauseum in many other threads and to which no one can publicly state the answers because no one knows.

Originally Posted by bearkatt (Post 14805431)

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...ed=0CC0Q9QEwBA i predict a big order of these

Originally Posted by wanaflyforless (Post 14802842)

I have only flown two of the above recently in business class but would take UA F any day over those products I flew. I felt like I had a good deal more space in the nose of a 747 in UA F than flying in AC or 9Ws lie flat business.

Originally Posted by bearkatt (Post 14805431)

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...ed=0CC0Q9QEwBA i predict a big order of these

Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1 (Post 14805468)

Only, of course, if CAL ALPA does not prevail in maintaining its current scope clause. They will be joined by UA ALPA and it will be an ugly battle...

Originally Posted by xzh445 (Post 14806320)

Great plane but, those can only be delivered just so fast, and the order books are already pretty full.




This will be interesting to watch. The UA pilots want a pay raise just to get to the CO pilot's existing scale. The CO pilots want a raise. The UA pilots may negotiate away (actually go for keeping the 70 seats vs 50) scope clause to get the raise to CO scale. Then yes....it could get ugly. If they all stand together on the 50 seats clause, then the UA guys can forget negotiating a raise. You don't get something for nothing. Is there an amenable way to solve this? Let's all hope so.

Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1 (Post 14805468)

Only, of course, if CAL ALPA does not prevail in maintaining its current scope clause. They will be joined by UA ALPA and it will be an ugly battle...

Originally Posted by xzh445 (Post 14806320)

Great plane but, those can only be delivered just so fast, and the order books are already pretty full.




This will be interesting to watch. The UA pilots want a pay raise just to get to the CO pilot's existing scale. The CO pilots want a raise. The UA pilots may negotiate away (actually go for keeping the 70 seats vs 50) scope clause to get the raise to CO scale. Then yes....it could get ugly. If they all stand together on the 50 seats clause, then the UA guys can forget negotiating a raise. You don't get something for nothing. Is there an amenable way to solve this? Let's all hope so.

Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1 (Post 14801717)

Good point; the question is whether that's enough to convince the decision-makers to keep the JFK operation going when there is a lot of upside to moving PS to EWR for the company...

Originally Posted by danville 1K (Post 14806378)

I believe its a given that the new airline cannot afford labor strife out of the gate. The combined pilots unions have an incredible amount of leverage at the moment.

Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1 (Post 14806374)

Although the company is likely to attempt the classic "divide & conquer" tactic, I believe both CAL & UA ALPA will negotiate together as one unit.
Yes, CAL ALPA wants a pay raise, but they know that the real hazard is for the company to offer a new package with lower UA scales and UA scope clause.

My hunch, in the end, there will be some of the usual horse trading...watch for company to propose AA-style lower dual-scale for new hires...

Originally Posted by jlemon (Post 14806399)

I have the feeling that if one bets on the transportation of VIP/Hollywood pax as a profitable, stand alone enterprise, you better be prepared to lose a lot of money.

Witness MGM GrandAir......